Honda Civic Performance - JDM Discussion Engine tech, forced induction, springs, shocks, brakes, tires, etc.

at a loss here...no start

Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:05 PM
  #21  
-- site donator --
iTrader: (2)
 
bbarbulo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: not Toronto
Posts: 27,687
yellow/black seems to be shared with the fuel pump from the main relay... I dunno the pic is kinda hard to see.

primarily, I'd check the WOT switch!!! It may be stuck at WOT!!
bbarbulo is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:07 PM
  #22  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
imported_mrchaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Stoney Creek
Posts: 798
Originally posted by bbarbulo
primarily, I'd check the WOT switch!!! It may be stuck at WOT!!
which is on the TB?
imported_mrchaos is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:11 PM
  #23  
-- site donator --
iTrader: (2)
 
bbarbulo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: not Toronto
Posts: 27,687
yeah, generally somewhere around the throttle cable... when you pull the cable wide open there will be a part of that linkage that will hit a switch. Check to see if this bad boy is opening (test continuity)
bbarbulo is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:13 PM
  #24  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
imported_mrchaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Stoney Creek
Posts: 798
going now.....let you know once again
imported_mrchaos is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:27 PM
  #25  
Registered User
 
imported_gatherer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: on a race track
Posts: 17,846
Originally posted by mrchaos


yes sir, but the coils make resistors
only due to the length of wire used....

they are low resistance devices you want to have acurate readings check the inductance....

I have 3 diplomas in Electronics and computers I know my stuff. they have an inductance not a resistance.


inductance works by creating a magnetic field around the wires this field then provides the resistance tot he electron flow. trust me it's this you want to measure.
imported_gatherer is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:30 PM
  #26  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
imported_mrchaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Stoney Creek
Posts: 798
Originally posted by gatherer


only due to the length of wire used....

they are low resistance devices you want to have acurate readings check the inductance....

I have 3 diplomas in Electronics and computers I know my stuff. they have an inductance not a resistance.


inductance works by creating a magnetic field around the wires this field then provides the resistance tot he electron flow. trust me it's this you want to measure.
yeah i know, but i am correct in a way :P my dad is an electronics engineer and my grandfather was one in the navy

and yes you are the most correct, its an electro magnet which causes the inductance which is the basis of a solenoid
imported_mrchaos is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:32 PM
  #27  
Registered User
 
imported_gatherer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: on a race track
Posts: 17,846
anyways according to the diagram you posted injectors are inductors and should have inductance measured...

anyways,

if you want help trouble shooting the fuel stuff let me know it's not hard for me to measure stuff it's juts hard to say how to measure stuff....
Attached Thumbnails at a loss here...no start-injectors.jpg  
imported_gatherer is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:34 PM
  #28  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
imported_mrchaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Stoney Creek
Posts: 798
no prob there....they are not even getting voltage from the ECU

on to the next thing, WOT switch

which i now need to find
imported_mrchaos is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:35 PM
  #29  
-- site donator --
iTrader: (2)
 
bbarbulo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: not Toronto
Posts: 27,687
ladies please, let's stay on topic... the injectors are FINE... they just don't have a signal to work with
bbarbulo is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:36 PM
  #30  
-- site donator --
iTrader: (2)
 
bbarbulo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: not Toronto
Posts: 27,687
like I said, it's close to the 1/2 circle thingy that the throttle cable is on... one of the arms on it will hit a switch when it's WOT!
bbarbulo is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:37 PM
  #31  
Registered User
 
imported_gatherer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: on a race track
Posts: 17,846
ok first step check continuity from each wire at the injector to clip C173

if those are find then check from Connector C313 (other side of C173) to connector C415 (A connector to the ECU) once you've checked those conntinuity I will go into details later of checking pulse width of the injector pulses and stuff

remember you do this check with the car off...

basically you want to make sure each wire is connected.. so one end of the multimeter on one wire on the injector and the other probe on the other end of that same wire on connector C173 and it shoudl read a very very low resistance
imported_gatherer is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:39 PM
  #32  
-- site donator --
iTrader: (2)
 
bbarbulo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: not Toronto
Posts: 27,687
he checked that, he says there is continuity...

problem is ECU is not signaling the injectors at all!!
bbarbulo is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:40 PM
  #33  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
imported_mrchaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Stoney Creek
Posts: 798
Originally posted by gatherer
ok first step check continuity from each wire at the injector to clip C173

if those are find then check from Connector C313 (other side of C173) to connector C415 (A connector to the ECU) once you've checked those conntinuity I will go into details later of checking pulse width of the injector pulses and stuff

remember you do this check with the car off...

basically you want to make sure each wire is connected.. so one end of the multimeter on one wire on the injector and the other probe on the other end of that same wire on connector C173 and it shoudl read a very very low resistance
done....no wire probs

continuity between ecu and injectors just no signal from ecu to injectors
imported_mrchaos is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:41 PM
  #34  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
imported_mrchaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Stoney Creek
Posts: 798
Originally posted by bbarbulo
like I said, it's close to the 1/2 circle thingy that the throttle cable is on... one of the arms on it will hit a switch when it's WOT!
hrmmm must not have looked hard enough
imported_mrchaos is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:41 PM
  #35  
Registered User
 
imported_gatherer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: on a race track
Posts: 17,846
Well you can't see injector signals with a multimeter .... they are on duty cycles (on off over and over again fast) this results in no reading on the multimeter...

to get a reading you have to use an oscilliscope
imported_gatherer is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:44 PM
  #36  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
imported_mrchaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Stoney Creek
Posts: 798
Originally posted by gatherer
Well you can't see injector signals with a multimeter .... they are on duty cycles (on off over and over again fast) this results in no reading on the multimeter...

to get a reading you have to use an oscilliscope
should cycle between 0 and 2 volts
imported_mrchaos is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:45 PM
  #37  
-- site donator --
iTrader: (2)
 
bbarbulo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: not Toronto
Posts: 27,687
that's why a NOID light is necessary to see injector pulsewidth

see if carquest or canadian tire has one, they are inexpensive.
bbarbulo is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:46 PM
  #38  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
imported_mrchaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Stoney Creek
Posts: 798
well we know we have no spray, remember i pulled the rail already
imported_mrchaos is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:47 PM
  #39  
Registered User
 
imported_gatherer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: on a race track
Posts: 17,846
yes but it goes quick enough that you won't see it ... your multimeter (and the rest of the multimeters around) are 2 slow to measure the change in voltage..... get a fluke meter (retail is like 2000 bucks) or get a used osciliscope (around 900 bucks) and you'll be able to see the pulse train signal to the injectors.

an osciliscope is what you need now.
imported_gatherer is offline  
Old 06-Apr-2004, 04:48 PM
  #40  
Registered User
 
imported_gatherer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: on a race track
Posts: 17,846
Originally posted by bbarbulo
that's why a NOID light is necessary to see injector pulsewidth

see if carquest or canadian tire has one, they are inexpensive.
or that..... I like osciliscops but I bet thats cheaper
imported_gatherer is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: at a loss here...no start



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:10 AM.