imported_sleep

sorry about such boaring and over played out questions.

but if i do internals would they be the same for any type of FI?

like supercharger internals would be the same as turbo internals?

if so whats the best you can buy? toda or mugen or spoon or osmthing like that? or mix and match?

sorry for being so general

imported_gatherer

the basic differnce in how you setup the internals is dependant on whether you go forced induction or Natural asperated.

so since ans super charger and turbo are both forced induction methods the internals should be the same....

bbarbulo

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Fi internals are all the same... NA internals follow the same principles, but are optimized for NA use... like storker kits or whatnot.

the idea is the same, stuff forged rods and pistons into a block.

punkindrublic

what about the crank? honda doesn't put forged cranks in do they?? i've only heard of them comming in diesel engines, from the factory anyways, excluding exotics or high end japan cars

bbarbulo

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they are cast as far as I know, but when was the list time you seen someone put a forged crank in a Civic motor?? It's good for 300-400 hp pretty easily with good machining.

dingus8

spoon mugan toda...are all NA allmotor setups ie high compression pistons and Na cams

for Fi you want lower compression like 9:1 ish

for a cheap B16 setup I'd ge with srp pistons on stock rods (good for a very mild daily driven setup 250 whp easy if nto mroe with tuning

better would be Je's with eagle rods

best
wiseco piston's on crower rods...

imported_sleep

ok i wanna stay n/a just to be different... seems like every 16 year old has a talon with turbo now around my area lol

so just look into like a spoon or mugen or toda kit?

dingus8

hehe if you want to beat a awd talon you iwll need way more than spoon interanls...

I'd stay away from the over priced "jdm" crap mostly...get oem ctr pistons' to bump compression up to 11.5 to 1 then get soem good cams and tune...I'd say stay away from spoon they are crap Jun cams' are good toda's are good but they you have to get the toda T belt or the cmas will snap it

skunk 2 stage 1's with good tunign and ctr pistons woudl be ok for street/mild racing and they are carb approved I believe

I hate how all the punk kids are getting dsm's after reading import tuner where they got 300 whp on the stock 14B with mild bolt on's and pump gas... which is very untrue if you knwo anythign about dsm's...dsm's are the new drifting / silvia faise

bbarbulo

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talons are great value, and I'm glad to see more ppl get into them. but when you get one... boy you better recognize what you're getting into.

yeah... no way you'll be beating mildly modded talons in anything streetable AND normally aspirated, not to mention the budget thing that usually comes up at some point.

1sloweg

N/A and b16 are an oximoron. If you want to go n/a your goign to have to increase your displacement. You could...... bore and sleave to 84mm, b17 crank, je 12:1 comp pistons, eagle rods, crower valve train and stage 3 cams, qualfie diff. Now you got an n/a motor

dingus8

you also have a motor that cost more than the entire car cost..lol

that would run you soo much money jsut to run a mid 13 sec time....
I can jsut see it now all the kids luanchign their talons at 6000-7000 rpm's breaking trannies adn center dif's...running to high a boost from creep and knocking so bad that the timign is pulled back to nothign...

B18C|

talons are untouchable ...no n/a honda can compare unless u spend an arm and a leg and still the talon with like 500-1500 bucks of upgrades will be a street terror...

imported_sleep

so i have the wrong engine for n/a... hrmm that kinda sucks.

looks like i have to go to the dark side?


i don't care about beating anyone i just want a very nice n/a time at the track thats all i'm shooting for.

Chigga1

man running 12:1 compression is super high, thats wheer the good high octane comes into use!

anything less will detonate!
anyways!

YES a civic hatch with a good motor will beat Talons.. d/l some vids man... you will see for yourself!

just b/c u cant GRIP at first doesnt mean u wont catch up!
power to weight ratio my broither

a civic hatch 2200 pounds top.. mildly built b18c1/5 against a 3300 curb wieght Talon AWD! comon man!!

1100 pound weight diff.
it all adds up in the end!

bbarbulo

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sleep, in terms of track performance (not drag ) the B16A is a gem. An intake, exhaust, header, some cams, cam gears, lighter flywheel and underdrive pulleys... a chip at this poing would be good... be 'bout it!!

imported_sleep

ok maybe i should have posted my mods before posting this.

got intake, exhaust is done .... but going to be new soon, i have itr cams, skunk 2 cam gears, and ECU retuned by skunk2, and clutch master stage 3 clutch.

now what should i get?

ball park i'm pushing low 14's high 13's...

i think.

Chigga1

pullies, full P&P,

u gonna touch the bottom end???

p.s you would be surprised what u hit in the 1/4 mile.

B18C|

tru CHigga1 the talons do weight a lot thats for sure but some of the diamond star's are damnnnn quickkkk like easily pulling low 13's high 12's...

Nova_Dust

If you can't beat them, kill them.

I don't think Talons are faster than a bullet.

*evil grin*

dingus8

the civics that beat teh talon....the talon probobly was a 2g on a t25... a 1g with a 14b can push 270-300 whp (on an awd car)