imported_CoasterMix

I recently read the post by wormburner and was not surprised to see it locked after the moderator got in his two cents , so here's another post to be locked....
You want him to show you the money? Who are you Jerry Maguire?? Did he ask YOU to personally install it? All the guy asked for was some help and got flamed. Leeching information? Wow like your wisom is the enlightenment we've all been searching for as we travel through the cosmos. I find it truly amazing that you think this is a secret treasure chest of information that you hold close.The exclusive club of engine transplanters.....is there a membership associated with this or do you just have to be an arrogant sniveling little punk kid?. Wormburner, I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have about engine swaps, it seems that the forums are not areas to obtain and share information, but an area to ridicule people for asking a very legitimate question. So come on moderator, get your cheap shot in at me using that vast knowledge you so possess in your 17 years alive on this planet.
Kids.........
Lock away, Obi Wan, lock away

imported_CoasterMix

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5. if you don't have cash lining your pockets, don't waste our time asking questions about how to turbo a Type R. when you have NO cash, surf the net, read other sites, check up on part numbers and part availability as you collect money to do it. By then you should have no questions. If you have questions, you are not ready to tackle the work - do some more research. If you have a truly unique problem, then post it up for help. Like when I was doing my 4 wheel big brakes, my axle was seized into the hub... I knew how it was supposed to come out - but mine just wouldn't budge. I posted up for help.... but ended up finding a solution on my own. "

I have cash in hand, 10k, please advise.

imported_gatherer

CoasterMix,

the thread that was locked was done so by a person that was out of his Teen years if you haven't meet bbarbulo, then you haven't had a chance to leech his info....

as for advice for your 10K go speak to an engine builder since your probably going to want to get the internals done as well for that much might as well do it right ... I'd suggest Leitner performance.... I'll be there tomorrow ..... I'd love to see 10 grand in someone's hand maybe you can stop by and show it off...

I think it all stems from my little rule (and it's a simple one)

if you have to ask how much then you can't afford it.

if you shop around and pick up the phone you'll easily know the price for the job.... but most shops hate just naming prices and will just name off the top of their head figures to get rid of the punks that can't afford the job..... that results in them coming on here and asking.... where every other punk kid whose called around will post up the off the top of their head figures.... if you dig back in the threads you could probably find a B18B swap for 500 or for 5000.... basically there NEVER IS A SET PRICE FOR A ENGINE SWAP. there is no flat rate and flat parts charge that shops have.... if your looking for cheap thats what your going to get.... if you want a goiod job done you wait till you have the cash and go to a place you trust. this is not price check central this is a forum about performance parts and how to add perforamnce to a civic.... you want to do an engine swap great ... go ask the shops that do that ... you want Ideas... check out the list of engines on www.hondaswap.com pick one you really can't go wrong if it starts with a B H or F.... your making an improvement.... hell if you have a hard time then throw darts... or play a game of draw the engine swap out of the hat.....a swap is a swap is a swap and NO one cares what you swap in or what you want to swap in.... if you get the swap done and 3 months down the road the ECU is throwing code 22 ... well hell thats something we'd love to help figure out .... and would even so much as go through lots of researching honda manuals to help out.

we have the time to help, we want to help but we don't want to make decisions for people or set prices for shops.... for the first one it's simple why... and thats because we don't drive the car daily our opinions are meaningless in that regards. and the second is simple too.... labour rates in shops changes the price to aquire the parts changes.... if we start stating a B18B costs 3 grand to have swapped in .... meanwhile all shops have raised labour rates and it now costs 4 grand... well kid takes car to shop and asks how much and is told 4 grand.... and kid tells shops that "friends" have told him it's 3 grand.... shop will either A tell him to go to the friends shop then or B take the job and do a half assed job at it. this results in kid coming on here and either A bashing shop or B picking a different engine and asking how much it costs... prices go up we can only provide what it cost us, on top of that we've all paid different amounts for the swaps so there is no fixed rate or even a fixed range.....it's all over the place. if you want a reliable shop to get quotes for the work then visit the affiliates page they are on there for a reason.

have a great nigfht and I hope this answers your questions if you have any more please feel free to PM me.... I'm ussually around

imported_eth0r

:working: ..in before...............

imported_CoasterMix

gatherer, I appreciate your insight, and the fact you took the time to explain the reasoning behind this. Your approach is far nicer than the moderator , who seems to have a hard time adjusting the filter between his brain and his mouth.This post isn't for me,I just didn't get a chance to respond in wormburners post because some genius locked it, after getting in his 2 cents. Wormburner actually posted up originally and his thread was locked. He wasn't aware that you had to provide a financial statement to get some help in here. I've been dealing with Leitner for several years now, in fact they did my TB on my 89 Si when some of the "professionals" in here were crapping in their diapers and wiping it on their face.That's neither here nor there. The crux of the matter is I read wormburners post and he wanted information. I guess he came to the wrong place.......his mistake....


Like I said Wormburner, please free to come to me for advice, in my more than ten years tuning Hondas, I've learned a bit. I'll be more than happy to answer any questions you have.

wormburner

I appreciate it Coastermix...pm sent to you about the engine specs I've been considering. ...and yes, I do have the cash to do it, or I wouldn't be asking. I just wasn't willing to post my budget up for the world to see. In fact, I wasn't even asking about price, I just wanted to know the pros and cons of eash powerplant. Lesson learned though... I'll be more specific next time. Just thought people could send that message without acting like they're protecting the location of the holy grail.
Cheers

imported_CoasterMix

Damn, I was kinda hoping to find the holy grail,maybe we can swap information, your info on the holy grail, my info on Honda engine swaps. Fair trade since both are priceless and only known to a handful of protectors throughout the galaxy. I might be excommunicated for sharing this information with you. Fight the power!

LilVito

I remember the post by wormburner I was the person that replied to help him out. I gave him a place to check out for pricing of motor's, but not install, just motor.

I made the mistake of telling him the place in the forum. As I said though this place wuz just for the motor and not the install.The moderator said for peeps to look in the phone book if they want pricing on install's.

He's all all up for helping though.Here's an example of the question he want's.

I have a 1989 Honda Civic Si and when I turn the car on the engine light comes on and the computer blinks 10 times. Someone help me out please.

I'm done I can't type no more. To much chron's in the air.

imported_CoasterMix

I see. Wormburner, I recommend you go and talk to Rick at RT Motors.I've known Rick for over 10 years, and he'll be more than happy to answer any pricing questions you may have. Good luck bro.

punkindrublic

in before the lock

DaRizzla

woah,,,

Biggy

hmm well i may as well tag along, in before da lock

imported_gatherer

the problem with these type of questions is if you go to page 2 you can find a thread where this is already discussed.... the difference between the engines are a big part of deciding, I know that, but this site doesn't keep the stats of each engine.... for that I recommend hondaswap.com .

for the recommendations that people have to make use search since most people will stick to their recommendation come hell or high water.

maybe it's time to start a thread that gets stickied.... for all price inquires and one for all engine recommendation questions.... that way the threads are right there for someone to use and those that hate 1 billion threads on the same topic won't have to suffer...

on another note it is ok to ask a uestion relating to the topic of the original post.... a new thread for each individual topic is not needed... for example...

check out loudsubz thread on air tools if uyou look near the top I added in a question on compressors.... I could have started another thread but then people would have to post twice the same info and thats annoying

imported_BoOsTd

I say quit all the blabbering and put in Hondas new HF118 turbofan ....1,670-pound-thrust now thats a powerplant!!

BIGA10k

Wow. It appears that all that I have done was backwards. Instead of wasting hours of other peoples time discussing the pros and cons of different systems (both stereo and engine) and the situations they apply, I was just supposed to walk into the shop and say "I have $20000 to spend on a stereo - you decide." or "I have xx amount for a swap - you decide."

If that was the way I would have a shitty stereo and a motor I might not be happy with.

You have to first understand the systems (swaps) and their pros and cons and how they apply to you (by asking lots of question - multiple times to make sure you understand them). Then you decide with the money you either have or are planning on saving, if it is worth it. Also, peoples opinions and experiences change all the time and asking the same question 3 months or a year down the road may be different. Mine are!

I understand the questions from wormburner as I am currently trying to decide on which swap for my jetta. a 1.8t or a vr6. it is not about money or hp figures, but about what is best for me. I need a motor that is quiet (for the stereo), has good power (both), but something I don't need to beat the **** out of to get it moving (hence I'm leaning towards the vr6 - a little louder, but more low end power).

Here my opinion on engine swaps as someone asked for advice and I was once that person.

-how heavy is your car? little hatchback means a b16 will still be fun and let you rev past 8000 all day long on a stock motor.

-on your daily commutes are you stuck in traffic or travelling on highways and back country road with little slowing down or stopping. With stop and go you would want more low end torque and on highways and country roads top end power is good. you would also most likely want a quiet motor for quickly getting through the city under the radar of the police and public - so a motor with lots of power in stock form would be good - in the country and on highways outside of the gta, noise is not as much an issue.

-how do you drive is the most important questions. If you like to redline the car all the time and like the 8-9000rpm revs of the b series, then get a b16a or a b18c5. The b18c5 will perform in all driving conditions as it has more torque. You will also need to get a jdm hood to fit the taller b18 blocks. If you plan on not going into vtec often or want lots of low end power, go for a b18a/b or an ls/vtec (i'm not sure about this anymore, but I have heard the h22's have issues that limit the turning radius on the car making u-turn and 3-point turns an issue in the city). The weight of the motor will also affect your cornering. The smaller the motor, the lighter the car, the quicker the turn (I know a guy that has run quicker times at shannonville with a Dseries than his current Bseries - same car as you, but later got a swap). There is nothing wrong with the b18c1, btw.

Personally, I have a modded b16 in a eg hatch and would have to sell it if I moved into the city or have to swap to an ls/vtec - too loud at where it makes power. I'd also have get a different exhaust as my driving style would get me into trouble - 9000rpm draws a lot of attention and I think is gay in the city. A turbo would quiet the engine though, but I could never justify spending the money on a civic I might only have a few more years.

Basically, look at what rpm you drive and how much power you want at that rpm. I know a guy who insisted on a b16 in a car like yours, but never revs it above 4500rpm. He is not happy with it. A B18a/b would have been a better choice for him.

If street racing and drag racing is your thing, an h22 might be for you. The b18c's are great motors, but if you want to rev your motor high, then the b16 is the choice. I want more torque without sacrificing rpm, so my next block will either be a b18c5 or keep the b16a bottom and put high compression overbore pistons and a 1.7 crank.

Tranny is also a question depending on your driving style. I spend over $400 a month on gas so the LS tranny suits my needs. I have no experience with the other transmissions, so I won't advise.

to end this off, you know what you need - the guy at the shop wants your money and to put in what is best and easiest for him. If your not happy, he may be able to get another swap out of you.

Do it right you will only have to do it once. Period.

imported_BoOsTd

well thats b's point...do your research, just like we do before answering peoples questions... all the info you need is out there...people just need to do some homework first to prove that they are serious..otherwise its just wasteing everyones time, repeating the same thing over and over again...

imported_CoasterMix

BigA10K, have you thought perhaps about a 2.0L 8V with a Schrick cam, p-flo and chip? it pulls pretty good off the line and still have some pretty good mid range power.Go VR6 if you have the dough. I would strongly suggest staying away from the 1.8T and it's hard to find a decent VR6 in good shape, if you do count yourself lucky. if you need any suggestions, PM kinkychinky23 in here.......although his wife left him for the sears repair guy(ergo had to sell his CRX), he knows a **** load about VW stuff and can give you some good heads up.He is EXTREMELY educated on the VW platforms and has an A2 GTi I WOULD strongly not suggest posting questions in here, because a) it's not HONDA and b) well, you saw what happened when wormburner came in with engine dilemas. Try the VW forums, I think one is called VWvortex.com
Nice guys, will answer any questions you ask, regardless of the size of your wallet.
Good luck.

imported_CoasterMix

Thanks to everyone else for the info.Lesson learned.

bbarbulo

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I was gonna lock this, just b/c it's irrelevant. Your post is about bashing me, not about anything you have to share with us. Again, this is Perf and Susp, not Whining and Crying. If you have a problem with the way I run the forum, provide feedback, usefull feedback in the sticky I posted or PM me. If you have wisdom to share, make a post out of it and I'll sticky it for all to marvel at. Until you have something useful to post, shut the **** up. You have a chance to reply, then I'll lock this. Or you can holla at me though PM.

My original comments in the other thread still stand. I firmly believe what I said, and I think it's crucial to at least come into a forum with a basic amount of knowledge, for your own good. I could tell this guy to buy a B16A first gen cuz it's cheaper, and he goes and buys it and realized it's entirely the wrong engine for him. You can't take ppls word blindly in some forum where you don't know who you are dealing with. I could be 12 years old.... would you take advice from a 12 year old who reads a lot of magazines and has never turned a wrench in his life? I've done a lot of wrenching so when I say something it's from experience usually, and if it's not from direct experience I'll say straight up it's not for sure. I'm not here to bullshit ppl... another thing is, a lot of these ppl who ask for "help" even if they have the money and we give them the "help", they've fucked themselves in the long run cuz they haven't a clue about what they have under the hood. You REALLY need to do your own footwork and understand what you are doing before you commit yourself to something like a swap. A lot of shops are clueless, and a clueless customer plus a clueless shop equals a pile of dogshit and a lot of wasted money. But who am I to give advice, after all I may be some 12 year old who reads a lot of magazines

imported_Cablerat

Well said