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Old 22-Mar-2007, 12:12 PM
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How MTF do i need??

Hey guys, just curious to know how much manual transmission fluid is needed for a drain and fill, Honda said 2.7L and acura told me over 3L for the same motor (D16Y8) Can anyone vertify what i need so i don't buy more then I have to. Thanks.
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Old 22-Mar-2007, 01:23 PM
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My old 98 took just under 2 quarts of GM Syncromesh. I think it is actually 1.8 according to the owner's manual.
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GM syncromesh??? is it better the Honda MTF???
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Old 22-Mar-2007, 02:47 PM
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I thought so. It smoothed out the shifts.

I'm using Amsoil synthetic MTF in both of my 06's now.
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Is it roughly 2 quarts for b series tranny too?
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Old 23-Mar-2007, 02:35 AM
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Re: How MTF do i need??

Originally posted by Turbo-D
Hey guys, just curious to know how much manual transmission fluid is needed for a drain and fill, Honda said 2.7L and acura told me over 3L for the same motor (D16Y8) Can anyone vertify what i need so i don't buy more then I have to. Thanks.
My guess would be that 2 slightly different manual transmission set ups were used with that motor. I only suggest that because my sources of information for your Civic also gives 2 different capacities. See below ....

1998 HONDA CIVIC 1.6L 4-cyl Engine Code D16Y8 VTEC

CAPACITIES
Engine, with filter..........3.5 quarts[1]
Cooling System, Initial Fill..........4.2 quarts
Automatic Transmission, W/ CVT Initial Fill..........4.1 quarts[2]
Automatic Transmission, W/ AT Initial Fill..........2.9 quarts[2]
Automatic Transmission, Total Fill..........6.3 quarts
Manual Transmission, ..........4.6 pints
Manual Transmission, ..........3.8 pints

1. After refill check oil level.
2. With the ENG at operating TEMP, shift TRANS
through all gears. Turn ENG off and check fluid level
within one minute. Add fluid as needed

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Old 23-Mar-2007, 06:49 AM
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Interesting facts. I'm hearing good things about GM syncromesh oil. I was also told that Penzoil syncromesh is the same stuff, any thoughts? I'll probubly just goto the GM dealer and get 4L to be on the safe side. My 91 integra only took 2L. Weird!??
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Old 23-Mar-2007, 07:27 AM
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the GM stuff might seem good at first but I replaced a transmission a year after using it ....
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the honda oil isnt anything more then regular 5w30 motor oil.. dont pay for over priced honda oil.
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Old 23-Mar-2007, 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by Turbo-D
Interesting facts. I'm hearing good things about GM syncromesh oil. I was also told that Penzoil syncromesh is the same stuff, any thoughts? I'll probubly just goto the GM dealer and get 4L to be on the safe side. My 91 integra only took 2L. Weird!??
IMHO, the Amsoil will do a superior job to either of these, and will also be cheaper, if the prices I've been hearing are correct. PM me if you'd like pricing information.
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definitely helps with smoother shifts!!
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Old 23-Mar-2007, 04:58 PM
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Already bought GM syncromesh, might as well give it a try and see what all the hypes about. LOL.
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Originally posted by janz3n
the honda oil isnt anything more then regular 5w30 motor oil.. dont pay for over priced honda oil.
that's incorrect. the manual specifies IN AN EMERGENCY, you may substitute 5W30 or 5W40 oil until you can purchase the appropriate fluid. however, while the two may have similar lubricity and weight, the Honda MTF has a different composition since it experiences different temp ranges... also there would prolly be not as much detergents in Honda MTF. as for overpriced, I think an expensive tranny job is the wrong place to try to save $11 per liter.
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So do i go with syncromesh or not???
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Buddy of mine, a tech @ honda, says they use 5w30 synthetic all the time for trannys (thats pretty much all the honda MTF is), and hes know for being the "tranny guy" at the dealership.
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gm synchromesh FM increases the friction in the transmission, which is needed for synchros to work properly, giving you smoother shifts and less grinds, however increased friction reduces transmission life.
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Originally posted by bbarbulo


that's incorrect. the manual specifies IN AN EMERGENCY, you may substitute 5W30 or 5W40 oil until you can purchase the appropriate fluid. however, while the two may have similar lubricity and weight, the Honda MTF has a different composition since it experiences different temp ranges... also there would prolly be not as much detergents in Honda MTF. as for overpriced, I think an expensive tranny job is the wrong place to try to save $11 per liter.
my 91 civic manual says to use regular oil..
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Originally posted by janz3n


my 91 civic manual says to use regular oil..
Correct. In your case, do not go with a synchromesh fluid. You can, however, use a synthetic oil, which will give you the better cold weather performance, and longer tranny life.
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listen to bbarbulo
ignore the ricers
synchomesh is good for covering up existing problems.
if your tranny still shifts nice, dont worry about it just yet.
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Originally posted by brianmcgaugh
Buddy of mine, a tech @ honda, says they use 5w30 synthetic all the time for trannys (thats pretty much all the honda MTF is), and hes know for being the "tranny guy" at the dealership.
that's even worse, you're never supposed to use synthetic, only regular petroleum oil on 92-00 trannies. that's what I hear anyways, I don't exactly have a lab in my basement where I test this ****.
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