Fuda

OK here is the deal the other day I was driving in first gear and was at approx 2500 rpms with my hand on the shifter. All of a sudden the friggen shifter slides from first to neutreul with out me even pushing down the clutch. I tried it again this time with the shifter in 2nd then 3rd and just with a sort of light push of the shifter it slides into nuetreul without pushing down the clutch. By the way my car is a 96 si coupe. Can anybody give me some advice, it will be greatly appreaciated. Oh by the way the tranny shifts up and down smoothly without any problems its just that A couple of times I was able to slide it from a gear into neutreul without pushing down the clutch. **** I hope my tranny isnt going. Please help!

imported_Junior

Does your shift lever feel loose? Something like that happened to me but it was b/c of the bolt holding the shift lever to the linkage fell off.

Fuda

What do you mean exactly by loose. Loose when in gear or out of gear? But regardless no it does not feel loose. I just got the car back affter having it repaired after my accident, maybe the same bolt that broke off your car broke of mine. How much did it cost to fix, and how loose was your shifter. Thanks man

PULOVR

Bring it back to the shop that fixed it.(if it was an accident claim/insurance, you don't pay...... that's if it was in an accident):working:

Fuda

I heard that you can shift from while in gear to neutruel without using the clutch in many cars not just hondas. Is this true and will it screw things up. Can you guys do this in your Hondas! Or is mine screwed?

ryuujin

yes it's possible, not that I've tried, but a close friend of mine did it..and well he says it's possible but not recommended unless you know exactly where the shifting points are HTH

Cantonagod

Mine will pop out of gear some times too. It has happened in all 4 of my Civics.

SiR-Racer

as long as it doesnt EASILY slide into neutral you should be fine. you can shift without using the clutch at all actually. You can just put it in neutral and if you match revs perfectly u dont need the clutch to put it back in gear.

But you definitely should be able to put in neutral without pressing the clutch.

sam

yep.. this has happened to mine a few times when it's kinda cold!

only in 2nd and 3rd thou... at first i was like WTF! cause i just put a bit of pressure on it, and it popped out, or maybe i had the clutch partially disengaged. i'm not totally sure!

imported_striderx

i've had this happen only because i didn't quite shift all the way into gear and pressed the gas and pop, stick is sitting in N. but in my 4th gen civic i did that and the gear got caught and i heard something break. i later found it was my teeth on 3rd gear which led to my 3rd gear popping out of gear if the rpms were under 3000rpm

as for the mentioning of changing gears without clutch, yes its possible as i do it all the time (lazy foot )
you have to find the right gear speed and rpm and the stick with just slide in. its cool but not anything big, you can do this on a bike also. but do keep inmind you can't gear down without clutch so don't be trying anything funny.

imported_daquel

I just want to tell you guys that it is not recommended to shift gears without your clutch. It is supposed to wear your syncros faster! I used to have a CRX that I used to shift without the clutch and it was pretty cool untill I found out it was doing more harm on the tranny. Here I was thinking I was saving wear on the clutch. Just a mental note!!!

amuse

agree, i do that sometimes for the fun of it, as long as you rev match to the right rpm, the gear you select will just pop right in.

this i have to disagree, you can also downshift without the clutch, everything is the same as upshift except you have to know at that speed you are traveling, what rpm will it be for that gear you will be selecting and just blip the throttle to that rpm and pop right in.

if you shift at that exact rpm, it'll go in smooth, whether it's upshift or downshift.
btw, if you don't know what you are doing, don't try this with your car. i held no responsible for any damage cause.

imported_b16_eh

never happenned to me so when it happens i shouldn't be worried i guess.

imported_dented dx

you can shift by not using the cluch at all. its just a matter of revs and timing with the gears. my cluch cable snaped and i had to get my car towed. After the fact i was told that you can drive (although annoying and timely drive without a cluch.)
hope everything works out for ya

imported_mplays

It is possible to shift your car into neutral without the clutch in any gear without damaging your gears, although the same can not be said shifting into gear without the clutch. i know this for a fact.

Your transmission is not screwed up, i do it all the time(shift in to neutral without a clutch) and my tranny is fine

Only be concerned if it's it really easy to come out of gear, almost as if it pop itself out of gear. If it has happend only once, then there is really nothing to worry about

amuse

where did you learn this fact of yours? maybe i should show you my fact and maybe you'll be amazed at how correct your fact is.

imported_mplays

And who might you be?

What do you know about tramsmissions?

If you have never pulled one apart then you have no talk

BB1-4WS

Yes, it is possible to shift in and out of gear without the clutch.

What happened was when you put your hand on the shifter, the pressure you applied against it was enough to push it out of gear. At that certain rpm band, the synchros were probably lined up, and causing no resistance.

If you rev match every gear, it is possible to shift without using the clutch everytime. Not the smartest thing to do because if you screw up, you end up damaging the synchros.

Most cars are designed with Helical gears, which don't require rev matching to shift. Manufacturers use this because most people would cannot be bothered to rev match everytime they want to shift, more reliable, and are quieter to operate.

Helical Gears: /////////
Dogtooth Gears: |||||||||

Most race cars use dog tooth (straight gears) because they reduce drivetrain loss, but require the driver to rev match within a few hundred rpm. Given that, some systems don't even use clutches.
Downsides are that they require more driver activity, break very easily, and very loud.

Dreggs

I thought all cars were like that. Mine shifts from any gear into neutral without the clutch (just a little tug). Isn't it a safety like how automatic cars can switch from reverse to neutral or drive to neutral with pressing the button on the shifter?

amuse

me? i am nobody, you might think i am a dumb *******, but it's not like i care!

i don't see how pulling one apart could give you any idea on how you can't shift without using the clutch. besides, there are enough people on the board agree that shifting without the clutch is possible, though not something ones would want to do, especially if ones dont know what they are doing.

if you still want to stand by your opinion, that's fine. i would definitely be willing to show you it's possible. hey, it's a discussion, maybe this time you are incorrect, but maybe next time you will be. we are all learning, that's why we ask questions on the board to get some answer, a lot of answers.

also, if i've offended you in my previous post, i am sorry, it's not meant to be offensive. i am just standing by my answer, because i know it can be done.