neiler3

Interested in what you guys think i should do with my H22 civic, Looking to build up the engine so its buillit proof and also get as much power as possible, i am looking to make it N/A by the way, any input would be awesome, thanks

Dr.K

Well more power through NA means more revs. I heard that the H22's tranny is not as durable as a B tranny and is stressed after 8500RPM. I heard the Input shafts go south after that RPM without some serious modifying. This is only what I read so take it with a grain of salt. But why waste all this money going all motor? You can go much faster for a HELL of alot cheaper if you boost that ****. All motor is a waste of time unless your going to completely gut your car. If you've got the money to blow on doing the whole bottom end of your motor than just add some boost. You can hit 11's no problem with boost in an EG/H22. And if you build the motor AND THEN add boost, you'll Wreck all but the best. I hope you've got alot of money cause H motor's cost more to do up than B motor's.

dingus88

bullet proof:

sleeved
crower rods
je pistons


then what ever cams you want, there are only a few options when it comes to cams for the h22

SiR_88crx

boost it to the max

Dr.K

Listen to Dingus and SiR........BOOST THAT S H I T. You wanna run with the Big boy's? You can dump a fortune into some all motor H22 and Some CHump *** in a Primitive VW will buck you. Why?..Cause he was smart enough to bolt a Turbo on and You weren't. I dont' get this all motor trend everyone is getting into. All motor is for 2 kinds of people, People who can't afford to boost and People who are afraid of Doing anything faster than a 13.ahahahhal.....Just Kidding, But seriously, All motor is big money and your not even going to compete with a Boosted car. Depends on how much you want to spend.

Younes Si

i agree with him, it's not to expensive and you get best results

Dr.K

Manifolds for Boosting H22's are becoming more and more common. You'll save yourself alot of money if you jsut boost the stock motor. Spend your money on the Turbo and the Computer and Ignition mods. Increasing Rev's(for all motor) Increases the Stress on the motor 3fold!!!! Rev's are really hard on motor's. Thats basically why Turbo's are so popular. If you increase your Power by over 150% yet are still revving in the stock operating range the stress on the bottom end only goes up by around 60%. It would take me all day to explain. Bassically Rev's Kill Motor's. And its not hurting your motor when you make big power at low rev's. Hence why V8's last forever. But since honda's come out of the Factory and are meant to rev there built pretty durable. I could go on forever. But an H22 with a Turbo can still be a daily driver. Serious power with all motor and your sacrificing Driveability since you gotta put really hot cams in and optimize everything for high rev's.

dingus88

ya and boost destroy's sleeves pistons etc not everyone wants a retarded fast 11 second civic that is a pos and cant' get any traction and is useless h22 allmotor can hit low 13's high 12's and that is damn fast. I mean everyone get's suggested H22 mad tite vtec turbo boost run 10's yo....I mean who the hell needs their pos civic to go that fast and have time to keep it in tune and pay for the enormous amounts of gas and tires. H22 with bolt on's is more than 95 % of people here will ever drive/need/ever see.

dingus88

on a side note if you want to go that fast on the street and at the track on street tires get a awd 1g talon plain and simple.

imported_Cablerat

I've seen a stock H22 with bolt-on's and proper WOT tunning to hit 187 WHP. That's mid to low 13's easily with slicks on a EG hatch.

Dr.K

But dude who has the money to fully build there bottom end?...And if your doing all that work its a waste to not boost it. And 7-8 psi on an H22 won't even hurt it. With proper fuel management there should be no worries. And you'd have to dump double the money into it to get the same power all motor. And boost won't kill your pistons as long as your running a high enough octane. There was a guy on TSR running 9psi on a stock B18A with 300,000kms on it!!!!!!!! So if you buy an AEM engine management and do a Turbo set up you'll be fine if you run 94 octane all the time. And it would probably still be cheaper than going all motor. AND if you buy a big enough Turbo you can build you block up later and Run some serious boost. If you already have the Turbo and the Engine management its jsut a matter of turning up the boost and re-tuning it.

Dr.K

Oh and on a Side note 1g AWD talon's are ****ing Money pits. Don't waste yoru time unless you like having a permanent Driveway ornament ........there nothing but trouble. If you REALLY want to go fast quit ****ing around and get a V8.

dingus88

they are money pit's if you buy a POS and drive it hard and cant' fix things yourself. DSM's need tlc and not a ricer driving it, you have to know what your doing. And we arent' even talking about buildign the bottom end just stock block with i/h/e and hondata.

imported_Cablerat

I gotta get mine dyno'd still.. 10 hrs of work, 6 days a week just aint allowing it!

Dr.K

well we were on the topic of making a bulletproof motor and the topic of beefing the bottom end came up. Yes it would still be fast with bolt ons. And I also knew 2 guy's with talon's and one was absolutely pristine when he bought it. Babied the thing, And his turbo crapped out with less than 100,000kms on it. But thats another story, this is a honda board. The topic is getting shifted. By "All Motor" I thought he meant everythign including Piston's and cams and what not. And in that case Id say go turbo instead. But if your just putting some bolt on's on well than thats a different story. The car will still be fast. And if you dont' monkey with it too much and just do some basic mods the car will still have stock reliability and driveability.

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

boost on stock H22 is not cool that thing can't even do 5 psi before the ring lands give out

Dr.K

are you sure?....I heard they'll take up to 7-8psi safely. And I talked to a guy a few day's ago who does ecu tuning. He said boost is ok on an H22...I mentioned that after my civic i wanted to do an Accord H22 and right away he said *Boost it!!!*..and this is a guy who make's money tuning and selling honda motor's. There's also full turbo kits for Late model Lude's. If they were that unreliable with boost im pretty sure they wouldn't have H series turbo kits.

StreetWyze

With a piston guard, it will handle boost better and safer, but come on, if u do 11's with N/A and not boosted, thats a nice car.......but yes boosting it much more resonible and cost effective

imported_loudsubz

yeh listen to bruno, the h22 is a gentle giant, it doens't like boost well in stock form, but once built ive seen some sick numbers. It just wasn't designed for boost, look at all the guys with wrecked motors who boosted the h22 stock form. If you at least go boost on a stock h22, the 4th gen 92-96 JDM are supposed to be the best as they are stronger, but still not the best.

As for h22 trannies, there have been some issues, but thats from people redlining them alot and crap, seriously, the car was not meant to be redlined all the time, it maxes out in power and doesn't need the 8-9k rpms to make power, after 6 theres not much more on the band left.

cee_mon

Well neil was telling me his H22 with minor mods came in at 183whp.