punkindrublic

lets hear everyones opinion on this swap... i'm seriously considering it... i would take that motor over any other reasonably easy motor to swap in made by honda... cause dollar per hp/torque it can't be beat...

info we dont really need in here would be forinstance. " the motor is to heavy for a hatch" or "good luck getting it to fit" or " damn thats an expensive swap"

so give me some points that would make either want to proceed or think again...

thanks all

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

if you have the money and the patience for this swap, I see no reason not to proceed. you will need susp work, and I'd like to see some chassis reinforcement like a cage, but... it's up to you.

however, do keep in mind that this is NOT a hybrid-honda approved swap. in other words, it's like a 460ci fox body swap. it's possible, but not recommended. B18C5 for about the same money is a more... factory-like swap.

that being said, if you can deal with the consequences of a non-factory-like swap, then go for it!!!

punkindrublic

well all nessessary parts can be had for $3000... everyplace is different in pricing on all motors but i priced it out... realistically i can get everything needed for $3000... pending of course there is nothing major wrong with the motor or tranny...

labour wise it'll all be done at my house by me... 2 week shut down at work... gotta occupie myself


my reasoning for liking it is i get a stock 200hp and 160 ft*lbs torque... add a few mods and thats to the wheels... and turbo'ing isn't gonna happen anytime soon if ever so the closed deck issue isn't a problem....

i'm drawn to that engine though... it scares me

spracingsports

id say go for it..... ive heard that you can make more power out of a b series, but i dont think that is true.... and id also say go for the H series cuz its damn near half the price... so instead of a b series, you can have a modded h series for the same price, or use that money you saved on the suspension or cage like bbarb said




btw.... rick USE THE SEARCH BUTTON MAN!!!! this gets discussed all the time

punkindrublic

i know but all those threads are just people bashing something they have no knowledge of... i see all the threads on here no need for search


suspension wise i'm unsure what i'd do really... ideally i'd like to have a stock ride height (sleeper), so maybe some of gatherer's custom made springs or just some integra's might do....

imported_Cablerat

My H22 is sitting on stock suspension.. drives like any other civic on the streets.

Blah blah blah.. You wanna know the "TRUTH", come see mine.

Oh and you got PM!

iam_immigrant

just have a few questions in regards to this swap as well.

-how is the ground clearance? will anything scrape sitting on stock ride height? (5th and 6th gen)

-i've seen pics of the hole being cut for the shifter cables, how butchered does the engine bay get?

StewPiddass

Rick, if you really are gonna get into auto-x I'd say to reconsider... it may drive like any other Honda in the streets but it won't at a Solo1 or Solo2, that motor ways more than twice as much as your stock one. Otherwise... I say do it, I think it's cool, I'd just never do it for me.

ohmstable

more than twice the weight of the stock one huh???
Where are you getting your facts from??

No doubt an H22 in a Civic is going to be shiit for autox but street driving is a-OK

StewPiddass

I recall reading an article for a dx swap in SCC awhile back and the d15 weighed around 185lbs and the H22 was 385lbs!

punkindrublic

yep thats correct the d16's are about 200 lbs and the h22 is 385 like tod said... i wonder though if that set up, since making the front end a lot heavier would make the car more tail happy?? and also if the power produced would pull you around the course faster?

cause i mean any straight point i'd have a huge advantage over most cars at the events... and the pull out of corners would be huge.... probably wouldn't hurt going large and getting the jdm type s tranny either

from my research so far you do have to cut a whole in the firewall and hammer a bit to make room for the alternator... so the engine bay gets as butchered as you make it...

imported_loudsubz

h22 pulls like no other VTEC omg

imported_BoOsTd

^^ thjis is true, my buddy just dropped an h22a in his lude. VTEC hits hard, its like 8 psi hitting on a d series. Its the first time I have ever actually felt VTEC instead of just "hearing" it


I say do it, just for the perma boner factor

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

yeah VTEC does kick in hard, but the Prelude platform is meant for that. the Civic is not!

no, the rear end will NOT get tail happy - that's just wishful thinking. If you did want it to be neutral, you'd need about 800 lbs springs in the rear, about 450 in the front. that's a general guess for me though, you'd have to do the math yourself.

I dunno if you guys follow touring at all, but to the winner of a race, they strap on an extra 10kg of 'punishment' weight in order to make the competition more fierce - up to a total of 40 kg of penalty weight. They strap the 40 kg to the center of gravity on the car, and it still hurts their performance a lot. You're proposing to put an extra ~190 lbs of weight up front. That's nearly 85 kg of weight up front! You can't honestly tell me that won't make a difference?! I do recommend an aluminium re-bar for the bumper, a carbon fiber hood, and whatever other weight savings you can get. (manual steering rack, no a/c, and battery relocation to the trunk)

imported_JookSingKid

If you're doing any motorsports other than running in a straight line, the H22 will hurt your overall performance.

The extra weight in the front means hard front end dive when ever you touch the brakes, and during cornering. You won't get tail happy, you'll just scrub.

Cablerat, bring your beast out to a SOLO2. It would be good to have some real life example of an H22A in that environment.

It'll give me a chance to hear that exhaust too!

imported_Cablerat

AHh man, the exhaust is all messed.. Something internally is rattling when you give it like half throttle. I don't know if it's the Type-R muffler itself, or the piping itself thats just resonating that sound.. It's still annoying as hell.

You gotta remember one fact about mine.. It's sitting on a completely stock SI suspension with 360K on the body.

imported_Cablerat

If you are talking about the EG swap, then there is no need to do any of that.. I have not touched my firewall or hammered anything to make room for the alternator..

The ONLY engine bay change required is cutting the passenger mount an INCH and drilling out a pilot hole. Beside's that the H22 drops straight in.

imported_Cablerat

On stock springs, it sits no more than 1/2 inch lower. Mine looks absolutely stock. go check out the pics in my sig below.

Engine bay still has room for a turbo comfortably.

imported_Cablerat

Yeah well a B18 weighs more than 1.5 times that of D series as well.

This can be a serious competitor for auto-x as well, only if it's setup well, but that's $$$$. Bruno had good points, CF hood, battery out, cx rack, no a/c, no ps, no extra mounts, no cruise module, lightened flywheel, etc, etc.. You can easily drop the front end weight to that of a b18.. If you are planning on building an AUTO-X car with an H22 you better expect to spend a lot of money on suspension and weight reduction.

Fact is, for auto-x bang for buck setup the H22 is not the best option. For daily driving, low end power, straight line racing, fuel economy and just plain enjoyment of a monster engine, the H22 is PpppppimP!.

imported_JookSingKid

thats ok, not expecting to to see it break any records, just wanna see how it does.

tell Jay about it, he might even pay for your fee! Just let him give it a spin