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Hey guys i need help in building a kit.. ive read alot of forums and done alot of research ive decided i just want something as a daily driver turbo kit.

So my plan is to spend up to 2000 dollars on a custom kit.. i would like TCC Peeps to help me build it...

So i would like zeeman, chris and anyone who has any ideas on a custom kit for me to give me a good list that will reach me to my goal of up to 2000 dollars.


Please send me a list thanks...

Gallagher

$2000 aint enough dude

Nova_Dust

Based on your extensive research, you must have a list in your mind. Post it up, and let the guys give you points that way. It is easier to edit than start a new list. Do the guys a favour, post up your ideal custom kit.

Thanks

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

so, you want us to just tell you what you need for a good setup?
$2000 is do able, using used parts.

What engine are you using?
What are you power goals?

If its on a b-series would suggest a T3/T4 turbo with external wastegate (35mm or 38mm), 3" exhaust, 450cc or larger injectors (not DSMs IMO), a nice efficient FMIC (but not too big), an oil cooler, an oil pressure/oil temp/boost guage, and tuning with crome (which may require converting to obd1).

imported_2XPLICIT

i do have something in my mind.. cuz i see guys runnin T3 turbo or DSM turbo's at 7-10 psi and they only spend like 2000 gs on a kit... Thats pretty decent too me... lol.. im not looking for nothing spectacular just a turbo setup for daily driving... anyone have any ideas.. im sure it can be done lol..

imported_2XPLICIT

Well i have a JDM B16A II its OBDI with a JDM P30 ECU... thats my engine and ecu.... so your saying a T3/T4 turbo ok.. looking to run like 8 or 9 psi.. maybe even 10 psi.. just as a daily driver... power goals like 275HP

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

well, if you have someone make you a manifold, downpipe and charge pipes, and possibly mod your intercooler if need be, then grab some used (i'd suggest new if you can fit it in the budget) 450cc+ (emphasis on the +) injectors and an in-tank 255lph fuel pump. And have someone give it a good street tune. That will really help keep the costs down, same with a used turbo and doing all of the labour yourself.

chris_si98

2000$ is definately considered pushign it in my books, especially with install and tuning (which will cost around $1000, if you dont go to a professional shop)

If you do go to a professional its 600+ for dyno-tuning, chipping.. install ranges from 800-1000$.

Anyways.. if you don't want that much power I would look for a t3 super 60 which can be had for pretty cheap but might fall abit up top on the high revving b16's.. or look for a used t3/t4 thats in good cond. PM weirtech for some prices on manifolds, dp's, chargepiping (i got all my stuff from him). Depending on your goals I would suggest dsm's for anything under 250whp-ish.. I know guys use them up to 300whp but thats with a high duty cycle which inturn will wear them out quicker.

All I can say is do your research my friend, 2000$ is a VERY, very tight budget IMO, especially since you gotta buy a fuel pump, possibly 3" exhaust (hi-flow cat or test pipe), etc.

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So a T3/T4 turbo ok.. sounds good.. umm i can probably find one.. umm.. weirtech for manifolds, dps, and charge piping ok.. .
ok guys so list me everything that i will need..

- T3/T4 Turbo with external waste gate
- DP
- Charge Pipe
- Injectors
- Walboro Fuel Pump 255
- Turbo Manifold
- FMIC
- what else??
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chris_si98

oil lines, coolant lines, bov, boost gauge, possible ecu and conversion harness. 1 or 2 step colder plugs, mighta s well do a tune-up as well, couplers

imported_360_vortex

-blow off valve

- TUNING!!!

VTEC_Thunder

If it's gonna be a daily driver and your want to run 8-10psi boost on a b16a2....your gonna want to spend a little more than $2000.....mostly on tuning....

Be very carefull with used turbos...I've had bad experiences in the past(don't ask..lol).

You shouldn't need a turbo manifold for mildly boosted street use...should be able to use stock manifold...spend the money on a really good turbo and boost controller with external waste gate.

Just remember, turbos can be a real pain in the a$$ when it comes to reliability.....especially on a daily driver...

Unfortunately there is no real "cheap" way to build a good reliable turbo kit.

non-the-less, turbos are awsome! Have fun building it!

Keep us updated.

89SIHATCH?

$2000 is WAY do-able.(providing you do the labour) that is where it'll hit you in the wallet.
with just a decent program/light street tune and doing it your self $2000 is plenty.

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

I'm not trying to be a dick, but do you even know what you are talking about?

He doesn't need a turbo manifold....use the stock manifold? I'd love to see that.

Spend the money on a good turbo and boost controller with an external wastegate.....since when did boost controllers have wastegates? Turbo's do.

Used turbos are fine, as long as you know what you are looking for. And in order to stay within his budget i doubt he'd be able to spend $1200 on a new (good) turbo. I wouldn't buy one of those ssautocrap turbos for $500.

I know lots of people running 10psi on stock b16s, and they didn't spend an a$$ load of money on tuning....you just have to know the right people and/or get a good street tune (which isn't expensive).

VTEC_Thunder

^^ I think you miss-read what I said...

I mean't use an external waste gate, not an internal...and I didn't mean the waste gate WITH the boost controller...duh. You read what I said WAY too literally....I meant get a good boost controller AND a good external waste gate. Two seperate things. Apologies for my typo...

Also I thought you guys were talking about the INTAKE manifold...thats why I said use the sock one....my apologies again...

I guess I type before I think...my bad

No your not being a dick, you brought up valid question, thats all

templar1984

ok, i too want turbo and im trying to absorb all of this information, but my main question is

1. Would building the bottom of the engine (forgive me if i got the terms wrong) be the first thing to do before installing the turbo for a daily driver?

buildling the bottom i am meaning reinforcing the engine with stronger piston rings, retainers etc.

2. Also regarding building the bottom of the engine, is there a complete list of parts to be replaced for building a stronger block that is capabile of withstanding the extra pressure from the turbo.

BTW am i making sense???

Regards

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

ahh...i see
Its just that sometimes what you post makes you sound like you really have no clue.
Take ur time, and read ur post over again before submitting...lol.


templar1984:

You will want forged pistons/rods (wiseco, JE, arias, SRP all make good pistons) (eagle/crower/pauter make good rods). I wouldn't go with anything much lower than 9:1 CR pistons. If you've really got some loot to spend and wanna go all out, sleeve the block and go 84mm (assuming ur talking about a b-series) to get a little more displacement. This way the bottom end will be pretty much bullet proof and will handle anything you could through at it (on pump gas at least).
I would just install the turbo kit, boost around for a while and get a taste. Then build the bottom end (or even buy another one to build beforehand, then swap the new rebuilt one in, this helps keep downtime to a minimum).

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Ok Zeeman and Chris you both are turbo experts.. so this is my first turbo system.. so for starts i just ordered this kit.. from treadstone performance..

Check it out for me please...
....www.treadstoneperformance.com/product.phtml?p=23&phot_key=250

So i called up the guy and he told me that all i ould need is fuel upgrades and tuning das it..

so my question for you guys is..
What type of injectors should i run? I was thinking RC Engine
What type of FMU and compression? i was thinking Vortech..
i know i need the walboro fuel pump 255
ill also add and aem fuel rail and fuel pressure regulator with gauge.
and yeah.. ill run chrome...

What do you guys think

VTEC_Thunder

Something else thats not a bad idea...most ppl don't do this but I recomend it....when you install your oil lines to the turbo, put a fluid pressure gauge in (0-30 or 0-50 psi) and a flow control valve right after the gauge on the 'in' or 'hi pressure' side oil line, before the turbo.

This way you can control the exact oil pressure to the turbo.

chris_si98

okay.. you really need to research fuel management.

Crome eliminates an FMU, you do not want to use an fmu for fuel management, so get that out of your head.

Secondly.. you will need larger injectors, do not listen to those idiots. To make any power what so ever you'll need atleast 450cc's (i bet 310's would max out around 180-200whp). RC 550's would be my choice personally.

You do not need an aftermarket fpr and rail, personally some guys do it for looks, you can do all the fuel management from Cromepro.. all you need are larger injectors and a better fuel pump.