FWD drifting suspension
28-Jan-2003, 06:34 PM
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FWD drifting suspension
How should you have your suspension set to be able to drift easily with Fwd car. I have a 93 si civic what would a good set up be for that car.
Im pretty sure you need a really stiff suspension on the back end
any help would be good thanks
Im pretty sure you need a really stiff suspension on the back end
any help would be good thanks
30-Jan-2003, 01:32 AM
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I drift my Civic...it's on H&R coilovers. I have a friend that drifts a stock-susp Civic. It's just how much ***** you have, and how well you understand car balance...drifting is like balancing your car on a knife's edge. One wrong wheel either way results in eating a curb or taking out something/one. 
Drift safely at the track...some tracks have drift days. I do it on private property, so I do it safely; NEVER on the streets. 
But yes, you are correct, a stiff rear suspension helps a lot, but can also make the car really easy to spin. Get an adjustable rear sway bar so you can change the settings for street and drift.
Drift safely at the track...some tracks have drift days. I do it on private property, so I do it safely; NEVER on the streets. But yes, you are correct, a stiff rear suspension helps a lot, but can also make the car really easy to spin. Get an adjustable rear sway bar so you can change the settings for street and drift.
30-Jan-2003, 11:42 AM
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lol....man u guys just makes me laugh...
you can't "Drift" a FF car
the only thing u're doing is..... pulling your e-brake and "forcing" ur back end to loose traction
the true way to drift can only be done with a FR, MR or 4WD....
you can't "Drift" a FF car
the only thing u're doing is..... pulling your e-brake and "forcing" ur back end to loose traction
the true way to drift can only be done with a FR, MR or 4WD....
30-Jan-2003, 01:41 PM
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ROY, you are 100% wrong. I NEVER use the e-brake as it forms a solid mount on a bearing that was not meant for thrust loads. The tires must continue to turn so that loads on the bearing are of the correct nature, else I would blow them on a weekly basis. Both my friend and I use a weight transfer technique that does not use the e-brake, but rather use the gas to modulate weight transfer and initialize a drift. I have to admit it's not as fun as drifting a FR car, but FF is just as much of a thrill in terms of adrenaline. By the way check out FF Squad on google. The drift style I use is done at higher speed than normal...it entails cornering at the limit of understeer breakaway, then lifting off the throttle to kick the rear end around, then getting back on the gas to prevent a spin-out. If a spin out occurs it's pretty violent at that speed, but it's only happend to me once with no consequences. Let's just say I saw and obstacle that I thought was closer than it was, and I tapped the brake causing a spinout. The e-brake is never to be used in dry conditions...ice racing, yes. As for tire choice, and tires you don't care about will do...some used tires on old steelies are good...but I use my 17" Falkens for extra style points, curb appeal, and tasty smelling tire smoke 
j/k...that's not why I use those, it's just because I first tried it with that set on, and I don't really care about them, and once you get used to a certain feel of tire, it's hard to try something else. 
j/k...that's not why I use those, it's just because I first tried it with that set on, and I don't really care about them, and once you get used to a certain feel of tire, it's hard to try something else.
30-Jan-2003, 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
ROY, you are 100% wrong. I NEVER use the e-brake as it forms a solid mount on a bearing that was not meant for thrust loads. The tires must continue to turn so that loads on the bearing are of the correct nature, else I would blow them on a weekly basis. Both my friend and I use a weight transfer technique that does not use the e-brake, but rather use the gas to modulate weight transfer and initialize a drift. I have to admit it's not as fun as drifting a FR car, but FF is just as much of a thrill in terms of adrenaline. By the way check out FF Squad on google. The drift style I use is done at higher speed than normal...it entails cornering at the limit of understeer breakaway, then lifting off the throttle to kick the rear end around, then getting back on the gas to prevent a spin-out. If a spin out occurs it's pretty violent at that speed, but it's only happend to me once with no consequences. Let's just say I saw and obstacle that I thought was closer than it was, and I tapped the brake causing a spinout. The e-brake is never to be used in dry conditions...ice racing, yes. As for tire choice, and tires you don't care about will do...some used tires on old steelies are good...but I use my 17" Falkens for extra style points, curb appeal, and tasty smelling tire smoke j/k...that's not why I use those, it's just because I first tried it with that set on, and I don't really care about them, and once you get used to a certain feel of tire, it's hard to try something else.
ROY, you are 100% wrong. I NEVER use the e-brake as it forms a solid mount on a bearing that was not meant for thrust loads. The tires must continue to turn so that loads on the bearing are of the correct nature, else I would blow them on a weekly basis. Both my friend and I use a weight transfer technique that does not use the e-brake, but rather use the gas to modulate weight transfer and initialize a drift. I have to admit it's not as fun as drifting a FR car, but FF is just as much of a thrill in terms of adrenaline. By the way check out FF Squad on google. The drift style I use is done at higher speed than normal...it entails cornering at the limit of understeer breakaway, then lifting off the throttle to kick the rear end around, then getting back on the gas to prevent a spin-out. If a spin out occurs it's pretty violent at that speed, but it's only happend to me once with no consequences. Let's just say I saw and obstacle that I thought was closer than it was, and I tapped the brake causing a spinout. The e-brake is never to be used in dry conditions...ice racing, yes. As for tire choice, and tires you don't care about will do...some used tires on old steelies are good...but I use my 17" Falkens for extra style points, curb appeal, and tasty smelling tire smoke
j/k...that's not why I use those, it's just because I first tried it with that set on, and I don't really care about them, and once you get used to a certain feel of tire, it's hard to try something else.
but it's still not Drifting 
Drifting is controlled by a combination of throttle + down shifts + some braking..... causing the rear end to drift while under control
you can't "really" control your back end in a FF car
30-Jan-2003, 03:00 PM
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Well drifting is different for different ppl...there are 5-6 accepted drifting techniques and what I use is one of them. What you are talking about is a power-over technique for a RWD car. You should try it, it's fun drifting FF 
BTW ROY, I like your ride...it's nice and smooth. FF Squad has used civics before, and they drift pretty well. I have looked for an AE86 for about 3 years, but none were in acceptable shape. I think a Sil Eighty is my next choice, or if not that, then an IS300 will be my next choice after that.
BTW ROY, I like your ride...it's nice and smooth. FF Squad has used civics before, and they drift pretty well. I have looked for an AE86 for about 3 years, but none were in acceptable shape. I think a Sil Eighty is my next choice, or if not that, then an IS300 will be my next choice after that.
30-Jan-2003, 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
Well drifting is different for different ppl...there are 5-6 accepted drifting techniques and what I use is one of them. What you are talking about is a power-over technique for a RWD car. You should try it, it's fun drifting FF BTW ROY, I like your ride...it's nice and smooth. FF Squad has used civics before, and they drift pretty well. I have looked for an AE86 for about 3 years, but none were in acceptable shape. I think a Sil Eighty is my next choice, or if not that, then an IS300 will be my next choice after that.
Well drifting is different for different ppl...there are 5-6 accepted drifting techniques and what I use is one of them. What you are talking about is a power-over technique for a RWD car. You should try it, it's fun drifting FF
BTW ROY, I like your ride...it's nice and smooth. FF Squad has used civics before, and they drift pretty well. I have looked for an AE86 for about 3 years, but none were in acceptable shape. I think a Sil Eighty is my next choice, or if not that, then an IS300 will be my next choice after that.
but I don't call it a drift
I use to do that all the time in the snow.... sometimes inthe rain
but it's not a good thing to do so I just don't do it now since I'm getting older now... and I just don't think it's appropreate coz I can't afford to take the chances
now that my car have a bigger swap bar at the rear it's even much easier for the back end to slide when turning...using those techniques u use
just Drive Safe
... and show ur stuff on the track
30-Jan-2003, 09:44 PM
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Yeah, there is a ton of info out there guys. TCC is not the only site worth seeing I just come here for the entertainment value, and where I see my input may be appreciated (or where I get a kick out of posting ) I'll post.
Drift safely guys...there is no sense in wasting a perfectly nice Honda trying to hop a curb Frame damage is only one curb away. We started at auto-x events just doing nice tight runs. We never won any competitions, but we got the crowd cheering ROY, I think you need to try another technique I was gonna keep a secret This is what my buddy does when he wants to get real sideways 
the off balance technique is swerving away from from the desired direction quickly and then cutting back while lifting off the gas...man...that's a WICKED drift!!!
I just come here for the entertainment value, and where I see my input may be appreciated (or where I get a kick out of posting ) I'll post.Drift safely guys...there is no sense in wasting a perfectly nice Honda trying to hop a curb
Frame damage is only one curb away. We started at auto-x events just doing nice tight runs. We never won any competitions, but we got the crowd cheering ROY, I think you need to try another technique I was gonna keep a secret This is what my buddy does when he wants to get real sideways the off balance technique is swerving away from from the desired direction quickly and then cutting back while lifting off the gas...man...that's a WICKED drift!!!
03-Feb-2003, 10:49 PM
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You can always induce lift off oversteer by letting off the throttle quickly while entering a turn. This will cause weight to transfer forward and rotate the rearend. Then it's all a matter of controlling the motion with the throttle through the turn.
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