a few turbo questions
30-Dec-2004, 04:29 AM
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a few turbo questions
Ive recently started collecting turbo parts and have a few questions... anyone who could answer all these for me would be a great deal of help..
first one is not a biggy just woundering how much turbo oil lines and a oil pan made for the turbo lines would cost and where to get ?? also if you know any shop that would modify my oilpan in the gta and for how much... (im aiming for a new oilpan so i can switch them back if i sell my car and want to keep the turbo setup)
ok now here the big question(s)
Ive been collecting turbo parts and within a couple weeks i should have all the following parts:
Turbo (T3/T4 Ball Bearing)
Exhaust Manifold
Down Pipe (With The Flex Pipe)
All The Gaskets And Screws For The Above Pieces
Turbosmart Blow Off Valve
Turbosmart Wastegate
Intercooler
Checkvalves (From Fishy Store
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Ok now im planning on collecting all the parts i can and then bringing them to the shop and getting them to make all the charge pipes and do the install... im only running stock internals so i dont want to boost it more they say around 6psi... now im not sure what other parts i will need to boost my B16A2 to only 6psi... like i was told i need some sort of FMU(Which i dont know much about at all) and a fuel pump(probably a walboro or whatever)... My question is do i need this FMU and fuel pump... and what else do i need if anything ??
Im not exactly sure what an fmu really does like i know its for fuel managment... like does it communicate with my car ecu ?? and im only going to run like 6psi isnt there any kind of minor fmu that will do the trick for cheap ?? I saw this Greddy Blue box for sale for a good price will this do the trick ?? also after i buy this fmu and have everything how is the fmu configured ?? with a laptop or something ?? like would i just bring the fmu to the shop thats installing my setup and they would do it ? wounder if they would charge me extra to configure it ? is it hard??
EDIT: is a apexi VAFC a FMU ? or no ?
last question... im only going to boost it to 6psi right now and im woundering do i need to get injecters and a fuel presure regulater(aem for example) or can i get away with just using the walboro fuel pump ??
Side Question: If anyone knows where to buy those hoses with the red and blue fittings anywhere in the GTA can they please let me know... I'd want to use these as my oil lines too if possible... thanks...
Thank you to the people that took the time to read this and answer the questions you've helped me out more then you know... Please try to answer all the questions you can that i asked above cause people always only answer 1 part of the question... excuse my ignorance im just entering the forced induction part of the scene
thanks again
Tyler
first one is not a biggy just woundering how much turbo oil lines and a oil pan made for the turbo lines would cost and where to get ?? also if you know any shop that would modify my oilpan in the gta and for how much... (im aiming for a new oilpan so i can switch them back if i sell my car and want to keep the turbo setup)
ok now here the big question(s)
Ive been collecting turbo parts and within a couple weeks i should have all the following parts:
Turbo (T3/T4 Ball Bearing)
Exhaust Manifold
Down Pipe (With The Flex Pipe)
All The Gaskets And Screws For The Above Pieces
Turbosmart Blow Off Valve
Turbosmart Wastegate
Intercooler
Checkvalves (From Fishy Store
) Ok now im planning on collecting all the parts i can and then bringing them to the shop and getting them to make all the charge pipes and do the install... im only running stock internals so i dont want to boost it more they say around 6psi... now im not sure what other parts i will need to boost my B16A2 to only 6psi... like i was told i need some sort of FMU(Which i dont know much about at all) and a fuel pump(probably a walboro or whatever)... My question is do i need this FMU and fuel pump... and what else do i need if anything ??
Im not exactly sure what an fmu really does like i know its for fuel managment... like does it communicate with my car ecu ?? and im only going to run like 6psi isnt there any kind of minor fmu that will do the trick for cheap ?? I saw this Greddy Blue box for sale for a good price will this do the trick ?? also after i buy this fmu and have everything how is the fmu configured ?? with a laptop or something ?? like would i just bring the fmu to the shop thats installing my setup and they would do it ? wounder if they would charge me extra to configure it ? is it hard??
EDIT: is a apexi VAFC a FMU ? or no ?
last question... im only going to boost it to 6psi right now and im woundering do i need to get injecters and a fuel presure regulater(aem for example) or can i get away with just using the walboro fuel pump ??
Side Question: If anyone knows where to buy those hoses with the red and blue fittings anywhere in the GTA can they please let me know... I'd want to use these as my oil lines too if possible... thanks...
Thank you to the people that took the time to read this and answer the questions you've helped me out more then you know... Please try to answer all the questions you can that i asked above cause people always only answer 1 part of the question... excuse my ignorance im just entering the forced induction part of the scene
thanks again
Tyler
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30-Dec-2004, 08:36 AM
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gettin a second oilpan so you can modify it for an oil return is a good idea.
Why such a big turbo for such low boost?
A FMU is a fuel managment unit. It raises the amount of fuel delivered depending on psi levels. Its a very simple unit and works OK in combination with some sort of ignition system (preferably a MSD BTM) that allows you to retard the timing w/boost. A fmu does not communicate with the ecu in any way.
Well you could also go with the AFC hack. Which is using larger fuel injectors (like out of a turbo talon/eclipse, DSM) with a VAFC to control the fuel. Either way i would still suggest some sort of ignition unit to retard timing under boost.
You could also go with Uberdata or Hondata. Uberdata is good because its free, well the software is at least. These are good because you can adjust the fuel maps and ignition maps, and also because they run off your stock ecu (piggyback as opposed to standalone engine managment). Meaning you get it dyno tuned once and its done, you don't need a laptop to run ur car or anything like that. You need a laptop with the software to write/modify the program, but thats up to your tuner to provide.
Good engine management is an important part of a good reliable turbo setup. Sure you can get away with a fmu and msd btm but when you do decide to turn up the boost, which i can guarantee you will do, i wouldn't depend on such basic engine managment.
Why such a big turbo for such low boost?
A FMU is a fuel managment unit. It raises the amount of fuel delivered depending on psi levels. Its a very simple unit and works OK in combination with some sort of ignition system (preferably a MSD BTM) that allows you to retard the timing w/boost. A fmu does not communicate with the ecu in any way.
Well you could also go with the AFC hack. Which is using larger fuel injectors (like out of a turbo talon/eclipse, DSM) with a VAFC to control the fuel. Either way i would still suggest some sort of ignition unit to retard timing under boost.
You could also go with Uberdata or Hondata. Uberdata is good because its free, well the software is at least. These are good because you can adjust the fuel maps and ignition maps, and also because they run off your stock ecu (piggyback as opposed to standalone engine managment). Meaning you get it dyno tuned once and its done, you don't need a laptop to run ur car or anything like that. You need a laptop with the software to write/modify the program, but thats up to your tuner to provide.
Good engine management is an important part of a good reliable turbo setup. Sure you can get away with a fmu and msd btm but when you do decide to turn up the boost, which i can guarantee you will do, i wouldn't depend on such basic engine managment.
30-Dec-2004, 02:16 PM
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1) defcon can do your oil pan (not sure on cost)
2) fmu= fuel management unit raises fuel depending on boost
3)if u use a fmu, u will need a btm ( i have one i will sell to u cheap works perfect)
4)fmu does not communicate with your ecu!
5) injectors are a good idea, fuel pressure regulator is a good idea aerospeed makes an amazing one and its fairly in expensive, and if u are using your origional fuel pump then change it to a walbro like for $140
if u wanna know more pm me and we can talk on msn!
2) fmu= fuel management unit raises fuel depending on boost
3)if u use a fmu, u will need a btm ( i have one i will sell to u cheap works perfect)
4)fmu does not communicate with your ecu!
5) injectors are a good idea, fuel pressure regulator is a good idea aerospeed makes an amazing one and its fairly in expensive, and if u are using your origional fuel pump then change it to a walbro like for $140
if u wanna know more pm me and we can talk on msn!
30-Dec-2004, 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Cee_mon
Question for you....Is your T3/T4 the "XS POWER" turbo that was posted in classifieds? If so you might wanna take a look at this link.
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1097918
Question for you....Is your T3/T4 the "XS POWER" turbo that was posted in classifieds? If so you might wanna take a look at this link.
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1097918
BTW after looking at those pictures i checked out mine and i dont see any opoxy at all or anything... like the turbo is brand brand new still has the foam from shipping in it lol... i took someone that knew there turbos since i dont know much at the moment... im happy from what i got for what i paid... anyway ill get pics up today of everything...
and to everyone else thanks for the input... just a couple more things.... first question is a couple of you metioned a BTM what is this ?? is this something to retard my ignition ?? Im currently running a msg ignition but i think ill have to buy something to addon before ill be able to retard it if not buy a whole new ignition... Its not a very advanced msg igition i have now...
second question is how much are the oil lines im going to need ?? like im assuming i need 2 oil lines ?? how long should that both be ?? ive been looking for the lines with the blue and red fittings... i may just drive down the road to defcon and talk to dave and the oilpan and other stuff... but any of the 2 questions above that you could answer would help me out alot...
thanks again
Tyler
EDIT: ill post some pictures of the turbo and manifold and everything i got from that one guy up between 6:00pm-6:20pm
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30-Dec-2004, 05:56 PM
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Every setup is different for length of oil lines. But you can be the judge you will need to run a line from the oil filter spot to the top of turbo, iam GUESSING about 3 feet, just to give you an idea. And oil return line isnt that long. Mine is less than a foot. That line goes from the bottom of turbo to the front side of oil pan, once again you be the judge.
And yes the BTM will retard ignition, I will leave it at that, seeing how i dont use one.
And yes the BTM will retard ignition, I will leave it at that, seeing how i dont use one.
30-Dec-2004, 06:11 PM
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a btm is a boost timing master, it adjusts your timing positive or negative 3 degrees i believe.and your best bet about your oil lines is go talk to dave and see what he says he did my kit and im sooooooooo glad he did, car runs mint no probs, but he will tell u to get a better engine management system then what u want to use so be prepared for that.
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Originally posted by Cee_mon
Every setup is different for length of oil lines. But you can be the judge you will need to run a line from the oil filter spot to the top of turbo, iam GUESSING about 3 feet, just to give you an idea. And oil return line isnt that long. Mine is less than a foot. That line goes from the bottom of turbo to the front side of oil pan, once again you be the judge.
And yes the BTM will retard ignition, I will leave it at that, seeing how i dont use one.
Every setup is different for length of oil lines. But you can be the judge you will need to run a line from the oil filter spot to the top of turbo, iam GUESSING about 3 feet, just to give you an idea. And oil return line isnt that long. Mine is less than a foot. That line goes from the bottom of turbo to the front side of oil pan, once again you be the judge.
And yes the BTM will retard ignition, I will leave it at that, seeing how i dont use one.
im trying to find either my step dads or my sisters ill get the pics up as soon as i find it or when they get home ill ask where it is...
30-Dec-2004, 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by b16turbohatch
a btm is a boost timing master, it adjusts your timing positive or negative 3 degrees i believe.and your best bet about your oil lines is go talk to dave and see what he says he did my kit and im sooooooooo glad he did, car runs mint no probs, but he will tell u to get a better engine management system then what u want to use so be prepared for that.
a btm is a boost timing master, it adjusts your timing positive or negative 3 degrees i believe.and your best bet about your oil lines is go talk to dave and see what he says he did my kit and im sooooooooo glad he did, car runs mint no probs, but he will tell u to get a better engine management system then what u want to use so be prepared for that.
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why would you buy such a large turbo? you should have just picked up a small DSM turbo or a straight T3. It wont be super bad but your gonna lag quite a bit.
As for the oil lines go to www.honda-tech.com and look up oil lines in the forced induction section. There's a guy on there with a board name Flamenco-T, they sell awesome oil line kits and i believe its like $100US for the feed and return lines with all the fittings.
dont use an FMU to control your fuel, pick up a hondata S200b or get ur ECU chipped and run uberdata. It will save you alot of headaches and the car will run better if tuned properly.
FPR isnt necessary, i would suggest grabbing a walboro unit.
As for the oil lines go to www.honda-tech.com and look up oil lines in the forced induction section. There's a guy on there with a board name Flamenco-T, they sell awesome oil line kits and i believe its like $100US for the feed and return lines with all the fittings.
dont use an FMU to control your fuel, pick up a hondata S200b or get ur ECU chipped and run uberdata. It will save you alot of headaches and the car will run better if tuned properly.
FPR isnt necessary, i would suggest grabbing a walboro unit.
30-Dec-2004, 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by scarlemthug
why would you buy such a large turbo? you should have just picked up a small DSM turbo or a straight T3. It wont be super bad but your gonna lag quite a bit.
As for the oil lines go to www.honda-tech.com and look up oil lines in the forced induction section. There's a guy on there with a board name Flamenco-T, they sell awesome oil line kits and i believe its like $100US for the feed and return lines with all the fittings.
dont use an FMU to control your fuel, pick up a hondata S200b or get ur ECU chipped and run uberdata. It will save you alot of headaches and the car will run better if tuned properly.
FPR isnt necessary, i would suggest grabbing a walboro unit.
why would you buy such a large turbo? you should have just picked up a small DSM turbo or a straight T3. It wont be super bad but your gonna lag quite a bit.
As for the oil lines go to www.honda-tech.com and look up oil lines in the forced induction section. There's a guy on there with a board name Flamenco-T, they sell awesome oil line kits and i believe its like $100US for the feed and return lines with all the fittings.
dont use an FMU to control your fuel, pick up a hondata S200b or get ur ECU chipped and run uberdata. It will save you alot of headaches and the car will run better if tuned properly.
FPR isnt necessary, i would suggest grabbing a walboro unit.
30-Dec-2004, 09:20 PM
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I ended up getting some pictures up but the digicam was crappy so a few pictures look kind of wierd... even the turbo looks a bit wierd in some of them but you get the idea... Anyway here they are... I may try and get better ones later...
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30-Dec-2004, 09:35 PM
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Quick Question: Before this item gets sold im woundering if i should buy this Greddy Blue Box.. Some girl is selling it for $100.. Can I use this as my FMU ?? She said she used it on her civic running 6psi for awhile... She said something about you open it and tune the little ***** for different boost levels... I dont know... Im just woundering if i should grab this for my FMU as i just want to use something cheap that will do the job for now safely... Then when i crank the boost up and get the motor built ill look into better engine managment
31-Dec-2004, 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by scarlemthug
how much power are you aiming for when you build the motor. You could easily push 300whp on a stock B16 as long as its tuned properly.
how much power are you aiming for when you build the motor. You could easily push 300whp on a stock B16 as long as its tuned properly.
are you sure man LOL ?? As my B16A2 stands right nows it has the followingB16A2 With A Chipped ECU (Mugen Chipped ECU)
VTEC Engaged At 5000RPM REDLINE 8700RPM
Fuel Maps Changed For Better Performance
Swap Done By Splitfire Performance
Motor Pulled From A 2000 Honda Civic SiR
- Bolts Ons
JG Edelbrock Intake Manifold
Vibrant 4-2-1 Stainless Steel Header With A 2 1/2" Collecter
Vibrant Muffler
MSD Ignition (Coil And Distributor)
Short RAM Intake
2 1/4" Piping From The Vibrant Header Straight To The Vibrant Muffler (NEW)
Your saying with how my motor stands by adding a turbo setup I can easily push 300WHP ?? If so explain how im not challenging you im actually curious how...
31-Dec-2004, 12:45 AM
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well im putting together a turbo setup for my B18B1 and my goal is 300whp. Now i am going with a smaller turbo so ill have a good powerband for the street and not just high-rpm boost. If you do research you will find that with just about any B series excluding the B20 you can easily attain 300whp, even more with the proper setup, tuning etc. You already have a big enough turbo to support over 300whp as i believe ur turbo is a T3/T4 .63AR turbo which will easily support over 300whp. You have a decent looking mani and the edelbrock intake could be a good help aswell. I would say with around 10psi, 550cc injectors, hondata/uberdata or wutever suites ur fancy and everything else along with a proper tune u could be clse to 300whp safely on pump gas.
Doing this with a D series would require a build up of the engine but with a b series its not really necessary. If you want proof, ask paul at splitfire about craig's white turbo eg hatch. he drives it everyday and is pushing 290whp.
IT will require more money and more parts but i think it would be worth it instead of going half assed to start with.
Doing this with a D series would require a build up of the engine but with a b series its not really necessary. If you want proof, ask paul at splitfire about craig's white turbo eg hatch. he drives it everyday and is pushing 290whp.
IT will require more money and more parts but i think it would be worth it instead of going half assed to start with.
31-Dec-2004, 01:12 AM
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im actually really good friends with craig and remember him collecting all his turbo parts getting excited about boosting it and not to metion all his other cars... the guy loves white... i have to call him up soon... anyway im not too sure if i'd be able to run 10psi on my stock motor ?? you think i could run 10psi on my stock b16 all day long without blowing up the motor ?? i dunno we'll see how everything goes... thanks for the info..
EDIT:
T3/T4 Turbo
.42 A/R Compressor
.48 A/R Turbine
Wet Floating Bearings
EDIT2:
I was just pm'd from someone selling a "BEGI fmu" for $100... What you think ?? Also someone else selling a greddy blue box for $100...
EDIT:
T3/T4 Turbo
.42 A/R Compressor
.48 A/R Turbine
Wet Floating Bearings
EDIT2:
I was just pm'd from someone selling a "BEGI fmu" for $100... What you think ?? Also someone else selling a greddy blue box for $100...
31-Dec-2004, 01:40 AM
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yeah craig and his white hatches, every one has been fast but his new one is CRAZY and im pretty sure its a stock B16 in that car too. More or less the consensus is that you can run up to 350whp safely on pump gas on a stock B series (not B20). you might need to go a bit over 10 psi to get 300whp but really it doesnt make that much of a difference as long as you dont get out of the efficiency range of the turbo you have. I will probably be running a super 60 T3 at around 16psi and ill have gobs of power and torque with a fast spool and good powerband.
AS for the 2 things u listed i wouldnt bother with either personally. Do some research on uberdata and hondata. uberdata is free but i believe there arent any new updates coming out for it. Hondata is an awesome unit although a little pricey its worth it if u wanna get the most out of ur setup while maintaining reliabililty.
AS for the 2 things u listed i wouldnt bother with either personally. Do some research on uberdata and hondata. uberdata is free but i believe there arent any new updates coming out for it. Hondata is an awesome unit although a little pricey its worth it if u wanna get the most out of ur setup while maintaining reliabililty.
31-Dec-2004, 02:07 AM
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Originally posted by scarlemthug
yeah craig and his white hatches, every one has been fast but his new one is CRAZY and im pretty sure its a stock B16 in that car too. More or less the consensus is that you can run up to 350whp safely on pump gas on a stock B series (not B20). you might need to go a bit over 10 psi to get 300whp but really it doesnt make that much of a difference as long as you dont get out of the efficiency range of the turbo you have. I will probably be running a super 60 T3 at around 16psi and ill have gobs of power and torque with a fast spool and good powerband.
AS for the 2 things u listed i wouldnt bother with either personally. Do some research on uberdata and hondata. uberdata is free but i believe there arent any new updates coming out for it. Hondata is an awesome unit although a little pricey its worth it if u wanna get the most out of ur setup while maintaining reliabililty.
yeah craig and his white hatches, every one has been fast but his new one is CRAZY and im pretty sure its a stock B16 in that car too. More or less the consensus is that you can run up to 350whp safely on pump gas on a stock B series (not B20). you might need to go a bit over 10 psi to get 300whp but really it doesnt make that much of a difference as long as you dont get out of the efficiency range of the turbo you have. I will probably be running a super 60 T3 at around 16psi and ill have gobs of power and torque with a fast spool and good powerband.
AS for the 2 things u listed i wouldnt bother with either personally. Do some research on uberdata and hondata. uberdata is free but i believe there arent any new updates coming out for it. Hondata is an awesome unit although a little pricey its worth it if u wanna get the most out of ur setup while maintaining reliabililty.
