zeeman

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I took my car for an e-test today and it failed.
HC ppm - limit 82---reading 74
CO% - limit 0.42---reading 0.06
NO ppm - limit 633---reading 3243
Thats 5x the limit.

Its a jdm 2nd gen b16a with I/H/E. The swap was done in May. Days after the swap was complete i replaced the spark plugs, plug wires, distributor cap and rotor all with OE parts from Honda. I use 91 octane gas. I have no check engine light on, but my ecu has a mugen chip and i've heard that chip makes it run really rich.

Stupid E-test

imported_ERTW

if the car was running rich, you would have high carbon readings. High nitrogen usually indicates that the combustion temperature is too hot.

cee_mon

Yes he is right about the temperature ^

To get around this you have to ask for a 2-speed idle test and they only test for HC and CO as oppose to all three. In which you will pass. I told them i couldnt make it up on the dyno so they did the 2 speed for me.

imported_fine2ne

fix the timing

zeeman

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i will check the timing and ask for a two speed idle b/c i passed HC and CO....thanks

bbarbulo

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damn thats hot EGT

dee123

yah, you might want to fix the Nox anyways. Is your cat working?

zeeman

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Well i went back and asked the tech if he would give me a 2 speed idle and he said that he couldn't. He so arrogantly said that my car isn't AWD. So i retorted with...."well my car is too low to put on the dyno" so he said to go somewhere else. So i told him that he should've tested my car as a "hot rod" seeing as that engine was never offered from the factory in my car. But he just kinda laughed and said "yeah i could've tested it as a hot rod but i didn't" I don't know if he has some sort of hate-on for honda's but he was a complete *****. I so badly wanted to pop him in the face for being so cocky.

zeeman

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can the tech refuse to perform a 2 speed idle test?
I took the ontario drive clean class when i worked for Saturn but i don't remember much since i took the class a couple of days before i knew i was quitting so i didn't really care. But i did pay attention to the "hot rod" classification b/c i knew that it would probably apply to me.
Please correct me if i am wrong, but if my car is tested as a "hot rod" it would be judged according to 1984's standards....right? I still don't think that allow me to pass seeing as the limit for NOX is 633 and my car read 3243. Man i really need to figure out why its like this so i can fix it.
What causes a high EGT?

cee_mon

you dont have to be awd to get a 2speed.....Also i was told that if your engine is same displacement as stock.....then no they will not change you to hotrod status....so if you still have 1.6L, NO HOT ROD.

But just try somewhere else and ask them over the phone to book a 2speed test...

imported_fine2ne

i think you should fix your car, instead of trying to snake your way around and polute more then you should be, get the timing checked that is probably all that is wrong with it

imported_Redz81

Hey I'm an emission tester. you can't ask for the two speed idle test. it has to be run. b16 was offered on you car in 95 so no hot rod. ussually high nox indicates a bad EGR but I think b16 doesn't have one. your cat should be good or else all the numbers would be high. what were the idle numbers? retard your timing might be the best thing.

cee_mon

Well I did, I called up a shop in town and asked it they deal with lowered cars. They said they can help in any way they can. I asked them for a 2 speed idle test saying my car was to low to make it up on there tester. They said No problem please come in and well take care of you. Now i have no hookups at this shop, so i dont see how i got special treatment. Just call around and see what people have to say. I called 3 shops in barrie and all 3 said they will do a 2speed test if they were asked.

zeeman

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last time i checked a b16 was NOT offered in a 95 civic ex/si, not in north america at least. I used to have the stock engine (d16z6) but swapped it out for a jdm b16. No the jdm b16's don't have an EGR valve. And i agree about the other numbers being worse if the cat was bad.

zeeman

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i checked my timing.....16 BTC. wft?!?!?!?! Isn't that the stock setting? Should i retard it more to pass the etest? Any more ideas?

red90dx

borrow an ecu from a buddy, run it p28 (stock ecu) on the tester.
run some good gas 94, run it hard before the test, make sure it goes in and its still very warm.

retard timing a little,

pull the sniffer out a little with your foot when the guy isnt looking.

imported_Redz81

lol wouldn't work. the computer would detect too much oxygen and would stop testing.

try to find the stock b16 ecu it should pass like that.

zeeman

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but the CEL would come on b/c the guys who did my swap didn't wire up the knock sensor....thats why i have a chipped p28 instead of a p30.
So i went to the ministry today to get the car gifted to me from my parents (its my car but its in my dads name so my insurance isn't rediculous, but now they are moving back to the states on saturday and i am staying here, so it has to be in my name) and it turns out i don't even need an e-test!!! Since i am keeping my plates and sticker, which was just recently renewed, i don't need to get an etest done, just a safety, which is a whole new ball game, no daytimes since its an american car (ex).
But i still want to fix the problem, its just not necessary for me in order to get it in my name. I wish the lady would have told me that i didn't need an etest the first time i talked to her.

revsto9

Do your self a favour and have your car fixed. Not only are you polluting your also hurting your car over the long run. Have a repair tech look at your numbers and he'll tell you right away what is wrong with your car. A repair tech that works for honda is probly best since all they work on is hondas. Remember you have no egr but the engine still works in a system similar called valve over lap wich work similar to an egr. If your timing and valve clearance are out you will definatly fail and in time burn out a valve.
Good luck

red90dx

put the p28 ecu on that motor, it will run fine, p28 ecu (92-95 civic SI) doesnt use knock sensor