punkindrublic

well i've entered another fun weekend because of energy suspension... this time involving the motor mount inserts

the kit itself includes 3 mounts... and they are all the "lower" mounts... not the big ones you can see at the top...

so today i got the drivers side lower and the passengers side lower mounts in... somewhat of a biatch but they are in thankfully... i've decided to leave the rear mount till i put the built d16 in cause it just seems like to much work...

i used some urethane in a tube to fill the middle gaps left by the inserts....

for the upper mounts you can see on either side of the motor i decided to just take that urethane in a tube and fill in the holes and then just fill it in as much as possible... i did the drivers side one today... used probably 75% of the tube just on that... it doesn't look pretty but it does look tough....

tomorrow all i have left is the passenger side upper mount which is to be filled in with the tube stuff... hopefully napa is open tomorrow so i can get more

from a preliminary assessment the engine is a lot stiffer in the bay... and hardly moves when it revs... this is with a "wet" upper mount as well... i'm sure once it dries and hardens it'll be even better.... i'm not sure if i should have let it dry with zero weight on it (engine supported) or just normal

ah well if it doesn't turn out we can always make a new one tomorrow...

casualties on the day were:
1. husky 3/8 rachet
2. husky 1/2 rachet
3. no name 3/8 rachet
4. husky 1/2" to 3/8" adapter
5. gray 5" extension bar

all but no3 were replaced free of charge from home depot

imported_loudsubz

lol

Rick, how much and where did you buy the inserts from

punkindrublic

bought them from a friend of a friend... $57.50... although i'm wonder if you just got a few tubes of urethane $12/each and just used that for all your mounts i guess we'll see how the uppers handle abuse and the elements i suppose... for me with blown mounts all around it was a good purchase though

punkindrublic

well i just took them for the maiden run... engine hardly moves even on redline shifting... and the biggest shocker to me is that hte vibration isn't really that bad... like once the engine is warmed up i hardly feel anything... its a little rough when you first turn on the engine though, but once you get going its alright...

i might become worse when i put the rear mount in though... cause that just seems like to much work for a long weekend... but all in all i'd say its a well spend $50 to clean up some old tired motor mounts

imported_BoOsTd

My full ES package should be arrive this week, thats bushings and mount inserts... Ill add my input to this thread once I install them

punkindrublic

still haven't got them in? i thought you got your master kit when i did??

i think this coming weekend i'll put the rear mount in then get that header in aswell... then its just a waiting game till parts come in for the d16

Nova_Dust

This insert sounds good to me!

dingus88

you need a si tran dude...and a stronger clutch so you can impress the ricers with your 1st -2nd gear tire chirp..

imported_loudsubz

The ES master kit comes with motor mount inserts?

Hmm thats news to me? My buddies did not come with engine mount inserts

imported_BoOsTd

no i ordered them seaperately along with the master kit... they have been on back order for a while now... Ive been waiting so Astroboy can ship it all together to save shipping costs...

punkindrublic

dont worry i can still chirp second even with a dx tranny... the advantage of the dx tranny is on the highway though... cause for cruising at 120 i'm reving just about 2500

imported_BoOsTd

well i installed my first mount insert today before work, i go the front driverside one in, like rick said some what of a bitch but nothing i couldnt figure out with abit of anylisying...

When i finally got the mount out i was shocked at how fooked it really was, im talking like a rip in the top portion and it was flimsy as ****. I cant beleive how much more mass thos inserts add to the mount, i think they are a great 50$ investment over buying new mounts... and theres no comparison to window weld, ive seen the results of this, the ES inserts add width and mass to the mount as well as filling in the center....

With just the one mount insert in, it completely (im not exaggerateing) got rid of all engine movement felt at my shifter... Before i was getting almost half an inch of movement from the engin... also wheel hop (form the 2 test spinns i did)... gone!

and this is with just the one coner installed.. im assuming it was the worst of the three, as it was ripped...


Vibration, ok with just the one insert in, the car does vibrate like mad when i first fire it up ( but my car is allso gutted right now, so i hear every rattle from loose panels ect, especially from the doors) But as soon as the car gets rolling it smooths right out, to the point of it not noticeable at all, its just the idle that shakes, but i think its tough, my car aint no cadilac anyway.

The last 2 will go in tonight after work! Im already 100% satisfyed so well see what shes like after i complete the kit!

Then onto the suspension bushings but after its done

punkindrublic

its all about putting the window weld stuff between the mounts i've gone through two tubes of it already... i probably put 10% inbetween on lower mount then used the rest to fill in the upper mounts... now you wanna talk about the motor not moving haha

i dont even have the rear mount in yet either... i think you gotta take the intake manifold off to get in there so i'm kinda putting that one off for a bit

imported_BoOsTd

how about removeing some exhaust parts to get up from underneath... i havent even looked at it yet, but im assuming thats the proper way

punkindrublic

hmmm never thought of that... if i was smart i would have looked into that last weekend when i had the entire exhaust off to begin with

although i think all the bolts point up... so they'd be hard to remove from underneith i think... expessially considering how tight they'd be on

imported_BoOsTd

thing is i dont think you need to remove the rear mount, cuz the bolt goes straight throughso what you do is lift the motor slightly remove the bolt, then lower the engine away from the mount, insert the urethane, raise motor back up insert bolt, torque to specs done...

somone correct me if im wrong, but from my understanding the rear mount has a nut and bolt that holds the motor bracket to the frame mount, and its mounted knife edge toward the motor, completely diff from the side mounts (much easier)...

I know toyotas are like this, and im sure ive seen mine before like this...

anyway ill let you know tonight when I do it!

any tips for the transmission side? problems you encountered? or is it exact same procedure as the driver side....

imported_BoOsTd

I found the top mounts to be especially usefull for lowering the engine to get the mount out! all i did was back off the nuts on the 2 bolts (the pointy head bolts) that connect the engine bracket to the big top mount and it was more than enough room to slide the mount out for repair!

im assuming this will be how to get the clearence for the rear (except do both left and right top mounts nuts) to lower the back of the engine... just dont undo the bolts all the way if you have no support underneath lol...that would suck, by by oil pan and sensors...

punkindrublic

hmmm you could be right... i haven't actually taken a good look at that rear mount... as for the tranny side mount exact same as the motor side

let me know how the rear goes though... if the intake manifold can stay i think i'll hit that up this weekend

imported_BoOsTd

forsure, ill keep you posted with my procedure, it should be the same as a 5th gen, actually i know it will...

punkindrublic

actually the rear mount should be different from 5th to 6th gen...

cause if i wanna swap a b16 in i can use all my stock mounts, but in a 6th gen you have to get the rear mount off a 99-00 SiR no? i could be wrong there :shrugs;