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Old 22-Sep-2003, 12:50 PM
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engine swap questions?

wzup guys? I'm on the verge of getting an engine swap but I'm clueless as to what else needs to be done... (brakes, ECU?)
plus I'm uncertain as to what I can put under the hood.
my car is a 97 civic cx what should I put in there REALISTICALLY!
I'm not looking to spend too much money.
PLEASE HELP!
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Old 22-Sep-2003, 01:16 PM
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B18c1 is realistic?

If ytour on a budget, B16a 1st gen (88-91)
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Old 22-Sep-2003, 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by Tman
B16a 1st gen (88-91)
his car is a 97 cx...
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Old 22-Sep-2003, 01:30 PM
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you could use a b16a1 and just find a hydro tranny


if your on a tight budget just get a d16y8... its not power house but has a lot more to offer then what you have now
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Originally posted by PunkInDrublic
you could use a b16a1 and just find a hydro tranny


if your on a tight budget just get a d16y8... its not power house but has a lot more to offer then what you have now
the way you speak, I'd almost think you know something
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it all depends on budget and what you wanna do with it
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Old 22-Sep-2003, 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo


the way you speak, I'd almost think you know something

i know lots ... i just dont often apply myself
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his car is a 97 cx...

wow bruno..... his car an be anything from 88-00, the b16a will fit... i said 88-91 b16a because thats a cheaper motor....
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wow bruno..... his car an be anything from 88-00, the b16a will fit... i said 88-91 b16a because thats a cheaper motor....
yes but his car is obd2, which means wiring nightmare to get OBD 0 or others to work on his car.
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why someone with a 97 would put a late 80s motor in their car is beyond me... it doesn't sound like he has money for a rebuild either, and that's in addition to the wiring issues that loudsubz talks about. Age kills motors... as well as mileage, but age does too. He'll spend more money looking for parts and replacing parts than if he started with the correct motor to begin with.

He didn't ask what will fit, he asked what he SHOULD put in there... IMO he SHOULD NOT put an engine in there that is older than the car itself.

IMO, get the newest B18B... torque will make the car nice and driveable... with lots of room for improvements as money becomes more abundant. This is if you have $2000 or so...

If you have <$2000, D16Y8s have problems... mostly spun bearings from careless abuse.... any D16Y8 that you find on a honda board... will likely be close to death. Buy one from a wrecker if you can... pref from a 1.6EL, as the 1.6 EL is supposedly a more grown up car, so they are less likely to be abused by 16 year olds.
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Old 22-Sep-2003, 03:09 PM
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Ya, any motor that's in the same year as your car or newer. And also, how much money you have to spend.

Why swap? Is your D16Y7 dead? Is it blown? Have you done other mods to your car i.e. upgrade break, stiffen up body structure or beef up suspension? A regular CX can't handle too much power base on factory setup. So if you want something powerful, or even remotely moves fast, you gotta target other areas first.
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
why someone with a 97 would put a late 80s motor in their car is beyond me... it doesn't sound like he has money for a rebuild either, and that's in addition to the wiring issues that loudsubz talks about. Age kills motors... as well as mileage, but age does too. He'll spend more money looking for parts and replacing parts than if he started with the correct motor to begin with.

He didn't ask what will fit, he asked what he SHOULD put in there... IMO he SHOULD NOT put an engine in there that is older than the car itself.

IMO, get the newest B18B... torque will make the car nice and driveable... with lots of room for improvements as money becomes more abundant. This is if you have $2000 or so...

If you have <$2000, D16Y8s have problems... mostly spun bearings from careless abuse.... any D16Y8 that you find on a honda board... will likely be close to death. Buy one from a wrecker if you can... pref from a 1.6EL, as the 1.6 EL is supposedly a more grown up car, so they are less likely to be abused by 16 year olds.

as another side note its illegal to put a motor in your car that is older then the car itself
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
why someone with a 97 would put a late 80s motor in their car is beyond me... it doesn't sound like he has money for a rebuild either, and that's in addition to the wiring issues that loudsubz talks about. Age kills motors... as well as mileage, but age does too. He'll spend more money looking for parts and replacing parts than if he started with the correct motor to begin with.

He didn't ask what will fit, he asked what he SHOULD put in there... IMO he SHOULD NOT put an engine in there that is older than the car itself.

IMO, get the newest B18B... torque will make the car nice and driveable... with lots of room for improvements as money becomes more abundant. This is if you have $2000 or so...

If you have <$2000, D16Y8s have problems... mostly spun bearings from careless abuse.... any D16Y8 that you find on a honda board... will likely be close to death. Buy one from a wrecker if you can... pref from a 1.6EL, as the 1.6 EL is supposedly a more grown up car, so they are less likely to be abused by 16 year olds.
Hey B any more info on this spun bearing issue? Can it be prevented? I try to drive my Y8 very nicely, only driving hard once in awhile, is it caused by over revving?
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reving real high for a long time and shitty oil with less fequent oil changes all will compound into a spun bearing...best swap woudl be a b18b or a b20 if you can find one with a gsr tranny. THe tranny is key as it is stronger and has way better gearing than the ls tranny
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Old 23-Sep-2003, 09:29 AM
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WOW....
thanks guys I honestly didn't think I would get this much info... but thanks...
$2000 is feasable, it's just that I'm getting kinda fed up of getting smoked at all the reds, if you know what I mean?
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just looking towrads a future swap the engine is great but I was wondering moreso about what other upgrades I could do in the meantime so that when the swap is done it won't be as taxing financially.
so far I know I have to upgrade the brakes, suspension, and that is all I can think of.
am I missing anything?
I'm new to all this swap stuff so excuse my ignorance...
thanks guys. any more info and input would be greatly appreciated including HP numbers...
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Old 23-Sep-2003, 09:41 AM
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A GSR exhaust modded to fit your car would be a good start. Cheap and effective... a short shifter (B&M Edge), new shocks (Koni yellow get my vote), and maybe new springs (eibach pro kit gets my vote), 15 or 16 inch rims (SSR Comps), sticky rubber (I like my Azenis a lot, but the Yoko Parada Spec 2 and Toyo T1S are also great tires I enjoyed a lot). Besides that, anything you do to the engine will be a waste when you swap. Oh, and SiR or GSR brake upgrade, along with master cyl and booster, and a SiR front sway bar, and ITR rear sway bar with the Beaks mounting kit.

You're looking at... quick tally off the top of my head... about $8000+ in mods right there, the rims/tires and susp being the biggest chunk of that money. Plus $2000 for the B18B, and you're set!
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Old 23-Sep-2003, 12:47 PM
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Damn, pretty pricey, I figured it would be around $5000 total with all the mods, so I guess I'll be doing the mods one at a time...
thanks for all the input.
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Prices range from good to poor parts, from brand new to used so it all depends on what you get really.

For me, my estimated price for modding breaks (5 lug conversion maybe) + rims + tires + bars + suspension would ended up somewhere near 8000 as well. Oh, and you would need a comfortable racing seat to hold you in place, that's another pricy item.

So I am basically dishing out near 10G on handling only. Then when you get the engine, you might consider CF hood to reduce some weight, this and that blah blah blah...

In general (I think), 20G would get you some nice hardcore mods for a NA car. Double that amount you can get some serious internal works + a turbo.

That, plus the car alone can probably buy you a STI already. But when you have a car that has serious works done to it, you will get just as much respect as any other cars out there.
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Old 23-Sep-2003, 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by Nova_Dust


That, plus the car alone can probably buy you a STI already. But when you have a car that has serious works done to it, you will get just as much respect as any other cars out there.
poor misguided soul... we'll never get respect on the street from an STi or cars in that family. As if some gino-clown in a G35C is gonna respect the hard work that went into the civic. Ha! Don't expect any respect on the street... you're doing this for you, not for anyone else. If you get that twisted, you'll end up both broke and unhappy.
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Old 23-Sep-2003, 01:30 PM
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B, what I mean is, appreciation from other car lovers; not some chomp who just know how to shift and step on gas and doesn't know what kind of engine oil to use for his car.

STI won't get the respect from people who drive Porsche, or Fararri base on the same analogy. People who live in small house will be looked down from the ones who live in monster homes. But it is the ones who started out from small and ended up big will know how hard it is to start from nothing. That's the moral ground I am standing on.
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