DX SLEEPER

I was surfing the net today looking at some sites with swap info and other stuff. I saw another swap into a 4th gen civic that not too many people do is the 5 th gen 1.6 SOHC vtec. This motor i believe is slightly weaker on power than the ZC but there are a lot more parts availabe for the engine in terms of aftermarket and i am seriously thinking about going with this swap instead of the ZC. It is also a straight drop in just like the ZC plus it has that cool little thing that the ZC motor doesn't have VTEC!!! So all you high tech guys give me some feed back please, this is a good discussion topic:working:

imported_SW20 MR2

Go with a B16A. DOHC and VTEC.

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

I'd take the SOHC VTEC cause it's cheap and abundant. Parts are everywhere, both new and used, and you can put 200hp at the wheels with a decent turbo. In a chassis like the 4th gen, that's a kickin combo. If you have the money, the B16A turbo would be ideal, but the D16Y8 or D16Z6 would be excellent candidates as well. If not going turbo, then I suggest B16A or B18B. The B18B would be a real monster cause such torque in a little chassis like the EF would be amazing. It's a cheap engine too, but a little more work to install than the D16, but less wiring work than the B16A since B18B has no VTEC. B18B are pretty cheap too and lots of them out there. What's your budget?

SilverCRXSi

I say drop in the NSX engine...
But more realistically drop in a b18c5...
but ZC is good, afterall its designed for the car...

imported_precision4

I have a D16Z6 dropped inot my 4th gen Si. I love it. REally cheap got mine put in for 700at KSR (one of TCC affiliates)

imported_loudsubz

I agree with BB, When I was looking for a 4th gen I was gonna swap in a D16Z6 or Y8 cause there cheap, and they have lots of support for. Although the ZC is good as well, try fidning parts for it around here if soemthing goes on it. I have heard some stories about people trying to find parts and not knowing what works and doens't on the engine to replace.

imported_precision4

look here is a D16ZC for sale

click here

EL_CIVIC

a buddy of mine has a ZC dohc?
it pulls so hard...first second and third...

well worth it...

GrEeNcIvIc

i agree with el for the reason that i know the guy he is talking about and it puts up some challenges for certain cars, i have seen it run some races and amaze me.

SilverCRXSi

People compare the ZC with the Si tranny to the d16z6. They're somewhat close.
Add the ZC tranny and forget about it, ZC will win hands down, since it has shorter gear ratios, which is better for acceleration.
As for finding parts for ZC, you can find them. Most are similar to the GS engine from the Integra, but I admit theres not as much as the d16z6...

DX SLEEPER

Yeah well all this stuff is really cool i think i do prefer the ZC even though parts are hard to come by i drove filthy luker's ZC when he got it put in and the thing can move!! He has a Si tranny in it which does make it a bit slower but i was thinking of going all out full ZC conversion tranny, axles, engine. Does anybody have a complete conversion?? What kind of 1/4 mile times are we talking about here with the basic bolt on's??And for those bad boyz with the b16a in their 4 th gen what are you guys running for 1/4 mile?? A full zc conversion will run me around 1600$ give or take , and a b16a will cost more along the lines of i would think 2600$ if not more, it all comes down to is it worth it for that extra 1000$, sure it is what a dumb as question . The problem is coming up with that cash i mean it is a grand more. I have seen filthy luker keep up with a stock 2000sir head to head, and a talon too(talon had a 13 g turbo so what). I guess it comes down to how fast you to accelerate and how bad do you want to spank that mustang!! I will have to look around to see what is the best price i can get for that b16a swap !!

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

Why are you ignoring my post?? B18B is the way to go!! Torque's aplenty. But I guess it's a little more expensive than what you are looking to do. I would go B16A over the ZC for sure. After all, you're replacing the ENGINE. Not like you can make a mistake and then just replace it later...this isn't an air filter. This is the perfect example of where you should do it right the first time.

90EFHB

The ZC is more than adequate......It's cheaper and with the saved money you can make it more powerful than the B16a and still have money to spare.

Another thought....B16's are a dime a dozen.....so what is the quality of the engines that are left? No longer are you get the cream of the crops....
Also I have seen threads on the TCC stating the B16a you see now are not from Japan but rather the middle east....and complaints about sand etc....

The authority on the swap is KS-R and he said he would choose a ZC over the B16a any day....

Plus Dented loves his ZC and from all accounts it hauls.....

Just my 2 cents

SilverCRXSi

Obviously the b16 is better than the ZC.
Regardless of which engine you get I'd highly recommend a rebuild.
ZC Times: From what I've been told you're looking at high to mid 15's.
As for the b16's I've heard mid to low 15's. I can't really be more specific since the guys who have them, have lotsa stuff done and they're in 14's.
Bang for buck ZC. Most power and parts: b16.
But KS-R is the one that knows the most about all this.

KS-R

Thanks for the props.. I wouldn't say I know the most about all this, but rather have more experience than some people.. That's all..

Well.. I wouldn't say B16 is obviously better than ZC.. Depends how you look at it.. It is in my opinion... the best bang for the buck. That's for sure. I mean the price difference of about $2000 and only horsepower difference of 30...So.. It's not worth it. For that extra $2000, it can be spend elsewhere to make up the 30hp difference.

Actually.. We've gotten one of our ZC CRX down to low 15 or was it mid.. (sorry, can't remember anymore.. old age setting in) It was either 15.5 or 15.3.. and that's was with a shitty clutch and lowered compression ratio (previously rebuilt for turbo). So the ZC isn't too shabby.

IMO... B16 is just WAY overrated.

DX SLEEPER

i agree with ken again, ZC are just better way to go!! A b16a is nice but than again at what price and half these engines need rebuilding as soon as they are put in and 30 hp is it that really woth that extra few grand and all those headaches. I don't think so, so in my case with a full ZC conversion tranny, engine , axles, ecu on top of that a good cold air intake, headers, free flow cat, 2-1/4 exhaust, cam gears, 3 angle valve job and some other minor aftermarket parts... I will be pretty close to that b16a And for those newer Sir civic's i will definetly be ahead of it A newer 99 civic weighs 2630 lbs and a 91 civic weighs 2083 lbs. Mine is gutted so ith the full ZC setup i think she will be very quick

90hatchsi

If you've got the $$$$$$$$$ go for B18C1 or dare I say B18C5.

SilverCRXSi

b18c5 is sweet, but expensive.
There was a guy at N8 who it done and he did the hyrdo and OBD-2 conversion. He also made a turbo charger fit in that thing...
In dreams...

As for the b16 and the zc, the b16 will be faster since you have a bigger base to start with. But that comparison never ends...
I'm going for the ZC myself though....