engine sawp question
hey guys right now i got a d16z7 (97 Si)
i was just wondering what swap could i do for a good price i know that the b16A would probably be the best but is there anything cheaper that would give me more Horsepower than what i have now and i would like to stick with something with VTEC good u please list the motor and maybe a price thanks or if it is better in the long run just to save up and go with the B16A thanks |
if really want to get some HP then get the 1.8L non vtec and get custom turbo and that thing will smoke so many cars
otherwise B16A is the best choice for your car in my opinion |
what motor is the 1.8 is that the integra ls
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niteridr, if that's your car in your sig. that looks really nice! I love the colour! Very nice setup! Sorry I don't have any suggestions for on the motor since I'm no expert! I'll leave that up to everyone else to argue! I think if you decide what you are going to do to it (turbo or N/A) then I would really do your homework and find out which motor would be best!
Good luck and do come out to one of the meets so we can see that sick ride! |
Ya that car is NASTY. SICK. LIKE WOW> ...
Go for H22 - b18 lots of power. Youll need it that car looks heavy. |
2nd gen b16! there is soooo much you can do and its a strong runner
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thanks guys
i wish that was my car that is pretty much the same set up that i want to do the paint job is so sick anway thanks |
jus get a straight B20 block and drop it in :nods:
Then that leaves you option to think about whether you want FI or NA (two paths which the B20 can make mad amounts of power) :nods: |
how do i drop in a b20 block what engine is that from
and what is NA and FI how much power would i gain if i dropped in a b20 block just by itself and how much would it cost also how much would the swap for the B18B1 cost me |
Originally posted by niteridr how do i drop in a b20 block what engine is that from and what is NA and FI how much power would i gain if i dropped in a b20 block just by itself and how much would it cost also how much would the swap for the B18B1 cost me NA = Naturally Aspirated/Normally Aspirated/All motor FI = Forced Induction(turbo, supercharger, NOS) As for how much it'll cost? For the B20 longblock, it'll run roughly $1100 - $1300 I'm guessing. To make it work, you'll need either a Teg tranny (any model will do, but figuring out what you want to happen in the future will help too) or an SiR tranny. I'm not so sure about the ECU but you're probably gonna get some sort of tuned ECU. You'll probably need a new intake manifold (once again SiR or Teg ones will do, except GSR I'm thinking), as the stock intake manifold on the B20 will be too high and will cause hood clearance issues. The numbers? A straight B20 will give you around 146hp & 133lb ft. of torque (provided it's a B20Z). A B20B will give you 126hp & 133lb ft. of torque. Either way, you'll love the torque on this monster :nods: Though it's not a high revving motor, having 2000cc will definetely give you the edge right off the line and it'll haul a Civic body pretty damn quick :nods: So torque up first, then decide which route you want to take, FI or NA. FI involves turbo/super/NOS etc., while NA will require that you obtain a VTEC head(though not ABSOLUTELY necessary). With the NA buildup it gets a little more complicated, BUT fear not, we will soon have an article up regarding this topic :bling: Meanwhile do a little research around the web first about the B20 build up. Places to go would include www.crvtec.com and www.b20vtec.com :nods: good luck, and enjoy! :) This is what I know at least to my knowledge, those tech gods and motorheads, please add to my post if I've gotten something wrong, or something else to consider :nods: thanks :) I've got waaaaaaay too many smilies in this post... hahaha :D |
thanks bro
so if i get the straight B20 then can i throw on a b16A2 head because won't that give me vtec just wondering what if i get the B16A2 and then throw in an ITR tranny and ITR intake manifold will that give me good power but if i do get the straight b20 with the b16a2 head will that give me good power with torque and won't that make me AWD instead of front wheel or can i do the b18b1 with a different head say gsr or ITR just wondering what does changing the head do is the head the part that says DOCH VtEC honda motoring on the top thanks |
Originally posted by niteridr thanks bro so if i get the straight B20 then can i throw on a b16A2 head because won't that give me vtec just wondering what if i get the B16A2 and then throw in an ITR tranny and ITR intake manifold will that give me good power but if i do get the straight b20 with the b16a2 head will that give me good power with torque and won't that make me AWD instead of front wheel or can i do the b18b1 with a different head say gsr or ITR just wondering what does changing the head do is the head the part that says DOCH VtEC honda motoring on the top thanks you could definetely slap on any vtec head, some are better flowing than others apparently. I'm not sure which one is best, but I hear it's something like B17 (when ported and polished), B18C, B16A, but I'm not 100% sure on this. B20vtec involves the B20 shortblock and a vtec head of your choice, but like I said, the B20 wasn't designed from factory to handle high revs, so what you'll need to do is basically blueprint the motor and give it some REAL bad ass goodies to re-inforce the block and the internals so that it can actually handle all the power that it's going to push out (if you don't prep the motor well, you could run into alot of problems e.g. blowing a hole through the block just as an extreme case, but of course that could happen to any block). Well, getting a B16A2 or B16A with an ITR tranny + ITR manifold will be cool, but it definetely won't be optimal since the ports on the ITR manifold are bigger than a stock B16A, you cams (B16A cams) won't be able to utilize the extra air, so if you opt for that setup, go get the complete ITR valvetrain to back up the ITR manifold + bigger throttle body. what you said about using a B18B1 or B18A with a ITR head is basically what is called a "Poor Man's Type R". Essentially you're building up your own Type R motor because it's 1800cc block with a vtec head. :nods: 1800cc block with GSR head? Well that's just a GSR motor then isn't it? :) But people do call those LS/VTEC's and likewise the process of building one is quite similar to the B20vtec so you'll need quite a bit of prep work (not to mention ALOT of cash, if you want it revving safely, and pushing good hp numbers :nods: ) Changing the head in most Honda DOHC cases basically mean getting VTEC, at least, alot of people I've read about do that :nods: What's VTEC? Someone else can tell you, but the cams in a VTEC head differ from a non-vtec DOHC :nods: |
Originally posted by ryuujin a B20 is a CRV engine, it's pretty much a 1.8 block but it's got different internals. |
Originally posted by Jugglez Actually if you were to rip apart a B18B1 and a B20B/Z and exmaine the individual parts, you'll notice they are pretty much the same motor... only differences are the pistons because of bore size (B20 84mm - B18B - 81 mm) and the B20 cylinder walls are much thicker... everything else is the same. Rods, crank, head, valvetrain, etc. etc. are all the same. |
Originally posted by ryuujin :nods: :thumbup: |
Originally posted by Jugglez :thumbup: i've seen both ripped apart so i can speak from experience. :D |
is there any way to slap on a different head on my d16y7
if not i think i will go with the b20 block with b16a head or just the straight b16a2 swap thanks guys which one will give me more power i know the b20 will give me better torque and is that better in the long run |
Originally posted by niteridr is there any way to slap on a different head on my d16y7 if not i think i will go with the b20 block with b16a head or just the straight b16a2 swap thanks guys which one will give me more power i know the b20 will give me better torque and is that better in the long run b20vtec (b20 block with any vtec head) will obviously give you the most gains, but it involves alot of time and money to make it run well. B16A is just a straight drop and you won't have to worry really that much about long downtime, at the same time it gives the choice of upgrading to a B20 block in the future... |
thanks bro
i think i will go with the b16a2 swap thanks for all your help |
Originally posted by niteridr thanks bro i think i will go with the b16a2 swap thanks for all your help hahaha j/k :D good luck! :) |
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