ingiro

Hi All,

I need some help. I have a 1998 Civic SI Coupe i blew the engine a few weeks ago and right now it is at the dealer waiting to be fixed (if under warranty). If not I would like to know if anyone has some information on getting a new engine (GSR or something). I would liek to know what I would need.

Thanks

In Giro :cry:

HAPPY

Do a search...we have gone over this many many times.

Maybe do searchs on different engine codes and see what people say. Try b16a, b18c, b18c5, b18b, h22, b20b, b20z.

bah - you get the idea.

shepworldwide

go BIG!!! H22

ingiro

I Heard that an H22 isnt a good engine... i was thinking of a GSR Engine. you see i was really happy with the stock engine I had in my 1998 Civic si but i dont know what happend it blew about 2 weeks ago. I bought the car used from Newmarket Honda a year ago with 98000 I have no about 130000 I cant figure out what happened. Luckily i bought extended warranty but Honda Plus is giving me a hard time because i can find all the oil change bills. they also told me that tehy will have to open the engine to see what caused the problem and if it is something that I caused ( which i dont know what the conditions are) then i will have to pay them for opening it... So my backup plan is if they decide that it isnt covered under warrant y then i might as well put something better in there than have them rape me for rebuilding the engine i have now...

thanks for the info I just wish i knew a little bit more. I was thinking of comming to one of the clubs meets to meet a few people and get some opinions...

INGIRO

Jugglez

That wouldn't be a bad idea. The engine you choose will depend on what you do with it, and what will make you happy in the long run. There are guys in the club going different routes with various motors, all have their pros and cons and these are what you need to figure out for your own needs... meets are every Wedensday at Commerce Gate (leslie and highway 7).. check the TCC Discussion forum for directions.

bbarbulo

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The single cammer VTEC is not a bad engine for a turbo. If you can be happy with 240 crank hp, then by all means use what you have. As if Honda is gonna fix it for you No dealer is that gracious. They had a tough time turning my rotors once at 30,000kms, let alone fix a blown motor at 130K If they do, that's fanatastic, but if I were you, I'd take the engine out of their grubby hands and hand it over to Leitner and Busch to be built for a turbo application with 9:1 compression, JG rods, a block guard, JG turbo cams, 3 angle valve job, new Honda bearings, Total Seal rings, and so on. Then handle the fuel delivery and you'll have a screaming SOHC VTEC that'll be good for the next 100K.

ingiro

What woudl something like that cost me

bbarbulo

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Good turbo kit = $2800USD, plus machine work...prob about $6000 total, for 240hp better than type R swap.

ingiro

what can i get for about 4 G's

Jugglez

what bbarbulo mentioned would probably cost you $10,000+ with all the motor work, custom turbo system, fuel management, and tuning time.

Jugglez

What about fule management? And tuning? And paying to get the motor assembled and swapped back into the car?

bbarbulo

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Turbo comes with engine management of some sort...usually piggyback, which is okay for that power level.

Labour for install...prob only a few hundred extra. But even a Type R swap, you still gotta pay installation, so who cares? Besdes, turbo = better torque than Type R too. just look up some dyno charts...plenty out there.

bbarbulo

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4 g's gets your installed LS motor plus some bolt ons. Not much if you ask me. I budgeted about $8000 for my setup for next year, with all the labour being my own. That's LS swap + custom turbo with stand alone engine management. Good for 300hp+.

Jugglez

Sorry i still don't think $6000 can get all that done, not properly at least. Especially the motor rebuild part.. you only listed a fraction of the stuff required to be done.. you left important stuff such as mirror honing the cylinders and checking for roundness... and how about milling of the head and block to achieve eveness? after years of wear and tear there's gotta be inconsistency there. How about balancing of the bottom-end? you don't rebuild a motor without balancing everything.. of course this costs extra.. how about re-working the exhaust ports for the turbo app?? .. another essential.. How about the cost of all the new gaskets, head bolts/nuts, bearings, and **** that need to be replaced??.. remember the engine blew for a reason.... do you really wanna be using all this old stuff in there? I spent over $500 on genuine Honda gaskets, head bolts, bearings, and various nuts and other bolts on my rebuild... don't think these little things are cheap.. and How about misc stuff that may need to be replaced while the motor is out? maybe the water pump or oil pump needs to be replaced.. the oil pump should be upgraded with any turbo app anyhow... ... alot of little things can add up to alot! i have yet to meet anyone who's gone through a motor rebuild without reaching for the wallet to pay for some unexpected expense... i had to that's for sure.

Falcon

As you may have seen on this board people are selling the Stock SI SOHC VTEC motor for under a grand some with trany. These motors seem to be cheap. If you were happy with 127 Hp then cool if not go GSR will not break the bank for a simple setup. Don’t ask what that will cost, cost varies. I have the same engine right now '98. Recently killed some bearings in the trany Honda is taking care of it no issues. What dealer are you goin to? Call Honda Canada and bitch if they give you grief!!!

EG6_SiRII

ingiro, check your pm

bbarbulo

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Jugglez, maybe you're forgetting he does not have to purchase an engine, he's rebuilding. So even if he goes budget, and uses all stock used internals balanced and polished, he can make it work on that budget. It's all about knowing what you NEED and what you WANT. I was giving him a typical setup, but if he's on a budget, he can make it work for less money. I know some guys that will blow a motor at the race (the run nitro fueled D blocks), they'll pull the piston out, throw one in from a junker engine as is, bolt it back up, and it's running 11 sec passes again on less than $150USD in parts and 3 hours of work. The team is called Unleaded Racing out of Detriot, MI. They campaign a Del Sol with a D block and a custom SLK supercharger. They also have a car that I haven't seen that uses all stock internals and a lot of N2O. Same deal...budget racers.

Jugglez

I didn't mention anything abut buying a new engine, d-series motors don't cost **** anyways so even if he did have to buy a new one the cost would only be a few hundred more at most.

There's no doubt it can be done for less money.... but i don't think Ingiro's car is a race car, it's most likely a daily driver, in which case he needs thecar reliable and the setup to be done right the 1st time.. who wants to risk having downtime by cutting corners, using less than desirable parts, and skipping on some very important aspects of a rebuild? It will just end up costing more in the long run.. and you won't be realizing the full potential of the motor. You are right when you say it's all about needs and wants, but how does one figure out what they "need" having never done this before? That's where application and research comes in. Daily drivers have different needs than race cars.

ingiro

You are exaclty right. I'm not sure what I need. As well I am a daily driver but when it comes down to it I want to be able to same a few of those rice boys... I guess my original question was incorrect. I would like to know if Honda rebuilds my engine under warranty what can be done to improve the performance with a few G's. Or if they dont rebuild it what can i possibly get for 4G's. Im sorry to be so uninformed its just that I'm new to this and I have the opportunity now to do something...

Thanks to all for all your input...

bbarbulo

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It's prob best to wait and see if they'll rebuild your engine first. If they do, $4000 will get you a turbo for your freshly rebuilt bottom end. If they don't, then you can have a B16A2 from a 99-00SiR put in, motor itself for about $3,500 plus install.