imported_Joker

my friend likes to go around pulling the ebrake alot... being winter and all ....and the pavemtn is all snow covered and icy..... what damge if any is he doing to the car? how bad is this? he doenst do it on dry pavement tho .....

bbarbulo

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it still transfers all the load onto the wheel bearing, killing the wheel bearing.

BoneStock'88er

I would assume it's only a sever load transfer if you go from slippery to full contact.. I mean if you go yank the Ebrake on an ice/snow packed surface the is going to want to slide. No force against it so it's not transfering that much of a load.. How ever if your on semi packed/ice and you go from ice to catching some black top while the car is in the side the tires are going to get some form of grip in a big hurry transfering alot of weight to one side which could do some damage.. If your going to do it, find a good snow covered parking lot in the middle of no where in the middle of night and let off a few.. Batman spins are pretty cool to.. I wouldn't recommend it in any busy areas with people/cars/animals and any other big objects can get in your way.. If you really want to have a little fun, take some orange cones or some reflective objects and drop them in the random order in the parking lot and see if you can drift through them all.. or see how far you can get befor you lose the drift or spin out.. Watch out for the evil snow bank though...

YES I know that doing this is bad and you will probably remove the post but people are going to do it anyway.. Suggestions to make it more safe and a little fun are ok right??

imported_t_dot_SiR

first, i would not use the term "drift" to describe what your friend is doing b/c i find pulling ebrake to slide/skid a car is disrespect to the idea of "drifting" (if you know what real drifts are like, you know wut i mean...) i'm not against your buddy, just tell him to go attend a drift school...

second, you don't need ebrake to slide/skid in snow/ice... all you do is just oversteer or slam your brake hard for like a split second (it will shift the weight in the car and start sliding)... i slide big time in my all-season tire when i made a right turn while the car was 30km/hr (it was an accident so i crawl when i turn nowadays).... so you don't really need to pull handbrake...

get back to your question... what i heard is... it'll hurt your wheel bearing... someone already mentioned above... but this was mentioned in another thread before as well...

like bonestock say... have fun while maintaining safety... don't endanger others... and also like i said, goto a drift school... what your friend is doing is not really drifting... it is just called "LOSING TRACTION ON SNOW/ICE THEN THE CAR SLIDE/SKID W/O CONTROL!"

bbarbulo

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anytime you have FUN... it's not really maintaining safety. safety means all four contact patches are maintaining good grip.

yeah, no matter the force, it's still there and it's still bad. why? cuz the bearing's job is to TURN... so when it's not turning, while taking a side load... that means it's getting killed.

BoneStock'88er

Well isn't drifting just controlled skids?? I've managed to control skid my car through parking lots, around corners and so on.. So is that considered... Drifting.. or Skidding? In order to true drift on pavement it helps to have rear wheel drive.. Which... civics are not. Trying to get a tight drift in a civic on snow requires a little ebrake or tap of the brake.. But pulling the ebrake is always more fun..

Mr. Death

It's not uncommon to use your e brake to initiate a drift. I have the video "Drift Bible" and the host Tsuchia (spelling?) uses his e brake to help the car break loose for certain types of drifts.

scott newman

Thats fun and all when he really gets good at it do it on dry pavement top of third or fouth, then the speed the car is carring will drift it. I like to do it fast and on the dry, much more fun!!

bbarbulo

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Mr Death, I have the same DVD

truth is, you do NOT need the ebrake for most drifts... the key is weight transfer at teh right tiem.... like accelerate TO teh apex of a turn, then lift off the gas, and teh car should start to spin if you're going fast enough. then, you modulate the throttle input to control the drift and not spin out

Mr. Death

I understand that e braking is not needed to initiate a drift. There are many ways to break loose, this is just one of them and probably the least desireable.

imported_BoOsTd

wheel bearings will last 2 winters max... let him know they cost about 250 bux a peice (on a civic anyway) and watch his face

imported_t_dot_SiR

haha.. the wheelbearing cost my arms when i needed them replace like 2 months ago...

imported_BoOsTd

or should I say look in the mirror and watch your face lol


pffft "My friend" my *** hahaha



I have a "friend" with the clap what should "he" do

imported_Joker

yea ... very insightful thread we got here....i'll inform "my friend" ok BoOsTd ? I'll let him know you said Hi

How long are wheel bearings supposed to last on an average basis? and btw he only does it in EMPTY parking lots and no where near any thing and also during hours where almost no one is on the road... i know this is not a "safe" thing but it's fun and as much as most of you claim not to have ever tried it I know you have...I personally have but I knew about the wheel bearing thing so i held off after i found out..yea i know it's not called drifting but drifting sounds better than skidding...so ..how much actual 'drifting' can you do with a fwd civic? ALso does the ebarke get worn out in anyway?

I have another question.... I just got new tires ....all seasons... who said winters are the best..haven't got stuck yet ...but when i bought the tires they said the tires are warrantied to like 135, 000 kms or something...what does that cover? if i go out and do slides.... how would they know? will they replace them? ...

Hoddi3

"all you do is just oversteer or slam your brake hard for like a split second (it will shift the weight in the car and start sliding)"

First of all when ur in a parking lot with some snow and your going like 50 km and u oversteer too make ur car goo into a skid about 90% of the time ur not even going to beable too turn cuse that little civic is just going too keep on going straight.. but if you turn a bit and pull the E-Brake and then crank the wheel over theres a 100% chance your car is gonna slide side ways..

Second of all when u "Slam" ur brakes is not gonna doo **** all cuse when u got disc is the front and drums in the back ur fronts are goning too lock up before the backs doo and that will cuse ur car too just slide forward and you will fail the atemped too drift..

To get your car too drift with out an E-brake you would have too be going pretty fast with an empty tank of gas and need some good tires on the front too accually turn the front end and cuse a drift.

imported_GoldBadge

You're messing up your tires too. I hope you don't plan on driving on the same tires all year. The first winter I had my car I did e-brake skids all the time and in the spring I ended up skidding out on a side road on my way back to London and almost smashing into a hydro pole.

Learn from my mistakes, not yours.

imported_t_dot_SiR

haha... travis, that's a nice input to give you your 17th post haha
anyways... i'm not the type of guy i wouldn't say i'm wrong... but i thought my post was like forgotten already haha.... coz it was kinda irrelevant afterwards... anyways thanks for the input... i agree this is a very good thread... coz i learned a lot... haha.....

imported_BoOsTd

Hehe,

An average lifespan would be around 200,000km but abuse with the sliding around consistantly about 2 winters from the begining of the habbit. And no it doesnt hurt the ebrake any, maybe just strech the cable faster than useing it 4 times a day...

Hard cornering in the summer also affects the life of a wheel bearing.


They should replace any tire worn out before the warrenty...depends where u buy them i guess....

imported_soso

I warped my rear rotors by pulling the ebrake all through the winter

kwikb16a2

my car has 240 000 kms and i have been doin them in the parking lot for the past two winters