do tie strut bars make a difference?
#1
do tie strut bars make a difference?
hey
i've got an 88 crx as some of you may or may not know
i was wondering whether or not strut bars are actually effective in making my car handle better
i'de be doing the upper and lower front and the upper and lower rear
i'de be getting some cheap generic brands probably.. most likely whatever is cheapest.. will that make a difference?
i could fabricate them myself but they might be a little heavier than what i'de be getting from a store or whatever..
anyhow.. thoughts on that would be appreciated
thanks..
many plans for the car but i figured i'de start here and then go for a coilover kit.. but i'll ask about that later
thanks again
hope to get some replies soon!
i've got an 88 crx as some of you may or may not know
i was wondering whether or not strut bars are actually effective in making my car handle better
i'de be doing the upper and lower front and the upper and lower rear
i'de be getting some cheap generic brands probably.. most likely whatever is cheapest.. will that make a difference?
i could fabricate them myself but they might be a little heavier than what i'de be getting from a store or whatever..
anyhow.. thoughts on that would be appreciated
thanks..
many plans for the car but i figured i'de start here and then go for a coilover kit.. but i'll ask about that later
thanks again
hope to get some replies soon!
#3
Originally posted by SteveZ
yes ull notice a diff when turning. as far as brands go, u wont notice a big diff between brands. as long as the bar isnt flimsy, they all pretty much do the same thing.
yes ull notice a diff when turning. as far as brands go, u wont notice a big diff between brands. as long as the bar isnt flimsy, they all pretty much do the same thing.
With that said there is a huge difference between brands, and about 90% of the strut tower braces out there for civics are flismy not only because of there ****ty design but also because the majority of them are made out of aluminum. After I installed the Neuspeed strut tower brace on my 1991 civic (a car known for alot of frame flex) I noticed a substantional increase in cornering stability. There are really only 2 worth while front strut tower braces for EF's, the best on imo is the Neuspeed bar because its still in production, it made out of steel tubing, its solid and has no adjustable points to weaken it, and it ties into 4 different bolts on your strut towers. The only other bar worth getting (if you can find it) would be the JDM SiR Cusco strut tower brace, its of similar design and contruction as the neuspeed bar although it does have one adjustable point in the middle. THe drawback to the Cusco piece is that its no longer made and its ultra hard to get, I rarely even see them on ebay any more.
#4
i think the 3 point strut braces would be just as good as the neuspeed. those things look pretty damn beefy and have no pivot joints. passwordjdm sells a bunch of them. also, if your car is on stock suspension, the only thing you'll feel is that the car will be more firm around the corners. it will make a bigger difference on upgraded suspension.
#5
Originally posted by SaYjAiBaO
i think the 3 point strut braces would be just as good as the neuspeed. those things look pretty damn beefy and have no pivot joints. passwordjdm sells a bunch of them. also, if your car is on stock suspension, the only thing you'll feel is that the car will be more firm around the corners. it will make a bigger difference on upgraded suspension.
i think the 3 point strut braces would be just as good as the neuspeed. those things look pretty damn beefy and have no pivot joints. passwordjdm sells a bunch of them. also, if your car is on stock suspension, the only thing you'll feel is that the car will be more firm around the corners. it will make a bigger difference on upgraded suspension.
#6
i dont know about ef's much.
but generally strut bars and any other bars dont really give back much unless you are driving your car to the extreme with hard cornerings and such.
most of the times its the driver/owner that is put in a mind state where he/she thinks its actually working because they know what it is and what it is supposed to do.
now obvioulsy with a car that has a lot of flex is different but with eg and ek and any other gen or car people just claim they feel the difference based on the mind state they are being put into.
but generally strut bars and any other bars dont really give back much unless you are driving your car to the extreme with hard cornerings and such.
most of the times its the driver/owner that is put in a mind state where he/she thinks its actually working because they know what it is and what it is supposed to do.
now obvioulsy with a car that has a lot of flex is different but with eg and ek and any other gen or car people just claim they feel the difference based on the mind state they are being put into.
#7
please correct me if i'm wrong.. but i was under the impression that flex was good when it came to suspension and that you needed flex when cornering?!
especially in the case of any roads or tracks around here?
i'm hoping to do some weekend autocross stuff when the next season rolls around.
should i still consider a strut tower brace?
I was thinking of making the 3 point one that passowrdjdm has come out with (or copied.. whatever)
would i have to do a 3 point strut bar in the rear also?
any suspension gurus out there?
thanks for the help thus far guys!
keep it coming!
especially in the case of any roads or tracks around here?
i'm hoping to do some weekend autocross stuff when the next season rolls around.
should i still consider a strut tower brace?
I was thinking of making the 3 point one that passowrdjdm has come out with (or copied.. whatever)
would i have to do a 3 point strut bar in the rear also?
any suspension gurus out there?
thanks for the help thus far guys!
keep it coming!
#8
Originally posted by curious_g_83
please correct me if i'm wrong.. but i was under the impression that flex was good when it came to suspension and that you needed flex when cornering?!
especially in the case of any roads or tracks around here?
i'm hoping to do some weekend autocross stuff when the next season rolls around.
should i still consider a strut tower brace?
I was thinking of making the 3 point one that passowrdjdm has come out with (or copied.. whatever)
would i have to do a 3 point strut bar in the rear also?
any suspension gurus out there?
thanks for the help thus far guys!
keep it coming!
please correct me if i'm wrong.. but i was under the impression that flex was good when it came to suspension and that you needed flex when cornering?!
especially in the case of any roads or tracks around here?
i'm hoping to do some weekend autocross stuff when the next season rolls around.
should i still consider a strut tower brace?
I was thinking of making the 3 point one that passowrdjdm has come out with (or copied.. whatever)
would i have to do a 3 point strut bar in the rear also?
any suspension gurus out there?
thanks for the help thus far guys!
keep it coming!
I would suggest you tune your chassis with sway bars first, and then add the stiffening braces to the rest of the chassis.
Actually, forget that. You should buy your coilovers fist and then correct camber and then go for the sway/tie/strut bars.
#9
Originally posted by Thrill_House
Please stop giving advice on something you have no personal experience or real knowledge of. You really are a typical "magazine racer".
With that said there is a huge difference between brands, and about 90% of the strut tower braces out there for civics are flismy not only because of there ****ty design but also because the majority of them are made out of aluminum. After I installed the Neuspeed strut tower brace on my 1991 civic (a car known for alot of frame flex) I noticed a substantional increase in cornering stability. There are really only 2 worth while front strut tower braces for EF's, the best on imo is the Neuspeed bar because its still in production, it made out of steel tubing, its solid and has no adjustable points to weaken it, and it ties into 4 different bolts on your strut towers. The only other bar worth getting (if you can find it) would be the JDM SiR Cusco strut tower brace, its of similar design and contruction as the neuspeed bar although it does have one adjustable point in the middle. THe drawback to the Cusco piece is that its no longer made and its ultra hard to get, I rarely even see them on ebay any more.
Please stop giving advice on something you have no personal experience or real knowledge of. You really are a typical "magazine racer".
With that said there is a huge difference between brands, and about 90% of the strut tower braces out there for civics are flismy not only because of there ****ty design but also because the majority of them are made out of aluminum. After I installed the Neuspeed strut tower brace on my 1991 civic (a car known for alot of frame flex) I noticed a substantional increase in cornering stability. There are really only 2 worth while front strut tower braces for EF's, the best on imo is the Neuspeed bar because its still in production, it made out of steel tubing, its solid and has no adjustable points to weaken it, and it ties into 4 different bolts on your strut towers. The only other bar worth getting (if you can find it) would be the JDM SiR Cusco strut tower brace, its of similar design and contruction as the neuspeed bar although it does have one adjustable point in the middle. THe drawback to the Cusco piece is that its no longer made and its ultra hard to get, I rarely even see them on ebay any more.
It all depends on what you're going for, as well as what the rest of your set up is... is it worth it getting an expensive tie bar when the rest of your susp is stock, or cheapy stuff? no. I have a generic front upper tie bar and rear upper tie bar and a spoon rear lower tie bar, is there any noticable difference in the way they were made? not really.
You don't have to go off and say 90% of the bars out there are ****ty because those 90% of the bars are enough for what the average person needs, and like Jay said people notice the difference because they want to and they know what it's supposed to do.
#10
oh.. i was just wondering something.. i'm able to fabricate these bars myself.. it would be out of steel but i'm capable of doing that.. is this frowned upon?.. if so why?.. i'de be fabricating something for myself probably by just building it as close to whatever the best is on the market.. or whatever someone is willing to let me measure up and copy.. but that's in the air.. i suppose if i had to buy one i would.. they're just really really expensive.. any thoughts on this would also be appreciated
thanks
thanks
#13
Originally posted by Thrill_House
Please stop giving advice on something you have no personal experience or real knowledge of. You really are a typical "magazine racer".
With that said there is a huge difference between brands, and about 90% of the strut tower braces out there for civics are flismy not only because of there ****ty design but also because the majority of them are made out of aluminum. After I installed the Neuspeed strut tower brace on my 1991 civic (a car known for alot of frame flex) I noticed a substantional increase in cornering stability. There are really only 2 worth while front strut tower braces for EF's, the best on imo is the Neuspeed bar because its still in production, it made out of steel tubing, its solid and has no adjustable points to weaken it, and it ties into 4 different bolts on your strut towers. The only other bar worth getting (if you can find it) would be the JDM SiR Cusco strut tower brace, its of similar design and contruction as the neuspeed bar although it does have one adjustable point in the middle. THe drawback to the Cusco piece is that its no longer made and its ultra hard to get, I rarely even see them on ebay any more.
Please stop giving advice on something you have no personal experience or real knowledge of. You really are a typical "magazine racer".
With that said there is a huge difference between brands, and about 90% of the strut tower braces out there for civics are flismy not only because of there ****ty design but also because the majority of them are made out of aluminum. After I installed the Neuspeed strut tower brace on my 1991 civic (a car known for alot of frame flex) I noticed a substantional increase in cornering stability. There are really only 2 worth while front strut tower braces for EF's, the best on imo is the Neuspeed bar because its still in production, it made out of steel tubing, its solid and has no adjustable points to weaken it, and it ties into 4 different bolts on your strut towers. The only other bar worth getting (if you can find it) would be the JDM SiR Cusco strut tower brace, its of similar design and contruction as the neuspeed bar although it does have one adjustable point in the middle. THe drawback to the Cusco piece is that its no longer made and its ultra hard to get, I rarely even see them on ebay any more.
#14
Originally posted by SteveZ
here we go. yes, im a "magazine racer" meanwhile how convenient that the only strut tower braces that you feel are worthy to put on ur civic are either jdm (shocker) or neuspeed. how much knowledge do you really have? im guessing youve only used those 2, because those are the only ones that look "cool" under the hood, and neuspeed stickers add 15hp, and jdm, well thats just too fast to be legal. dont tell me what i do and do not have knowledge or personal experience on, when u dont know.
here we go. yes, im a "magazine racer" meanwhile how convenient that the only strut tower braces that you feel are worthy to put on ur civic are either jdm (shocker) or neuspeed. how much knowledge do you really have? im guessing youve only used those 2, because those are the only ones that look "cool" under the hood, and neuspeed stickers add 15hp, and jdm, well thats just too fast to be legal. dont tell me what i do and do not have knowledge or personal experience on, when u dont know.
#15
Originally posted by SilverSiG
ahhh... as a commerce major we LOVE people like you! they work hard to get people as loyal to their brand as you are....
It all depends on what you're going for, as well as what the rest of your set up is... is it worth it getting an expensive tie bar when the rest of your susp is stock, or cheapy stuff? no. I have a generic front upper tie bar and rear upper tie bar and a spoon rear lower tie bar, is there any noticable difference in the way they were made? not really.
You don't have to go off and say 90% of the bars out there are ****ty because those 90% of the bars are enough for what the average person needs, and like Jay said people notice the difference because they want to and they know what it's supposed to do.
ahhh... as a commerce major we LOVE people like you! they work hard to get people as loyal to their brand as you are....
It all depends on what you're going for, as well as what the rest of your set up is... is it worth it getting an expensive tie bar when the rest of your susp is stock, or cheapy stuff? no. I have a generic front upper tie bar and rear upper tie bar and a spoon rear lower tie bar, is there any noticable difference in the way they were made? not really.
You don't have to go off and say 90% of the bars out there are ****ty because those 90% of the bars are enough for what the average person needs, and like Jay said people notice the difference because they want to and they know what it's supposed to do.
#17
Originally posted by Team Rukus
i dont know about ef's much.
but generally strut bars and any other bars dont really give back much unless you are driving your car to the extreme with hard cornerings and such.
most of the times its the driver/owner that is put in a mind state where he/she thinks its actually working because they know what it is and what it is supposed to do.
now obvioulsy with a car that has a lot of flex is different but with eg and ek and any other gen or car people just claim they feel the difference based on the mind state they are being put into.
i dont know about ef's much.
but generally strut bars and any other bars dont really give back much unless you are driving your car to the extreme with hard cornerings and such.
most of the times its the driver/owner that is put in a mind state where he/she thinks its actually working because they know what it is and what it is supposed to do.
now obvioulsy with a car that has a lot of flex is different but with eg and ek and any other gen or car people just claim they feel the difference based on the mind state they are being put into.
#18
Everyone here is arguing over a simple strut bar, I have a DC Sports upper strut bar on the lude (DC sports because it offered me clearance of brake lines that the cheap one didn't) but unless you have a great set of tires, suspension mods mean nothing for stability.
Its all about tires, and you move forward from there.
Its all about tires, and you move forward from there.