LEITNER

thats just a sh*t tune. ya the one im selling.

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

ok, i didn't want to insult you by saying that it looked to me like you could get some better numbers with some more tuning. Your torque curve is very very choppy.
Did neetronics tune this? I've heard that they like to stay on the conservative side of things.

bronx

That graph is from Splitfire

I understand what some of you are saying though....
Ive been debating whether to go for OEM CTR or ITR stuff
but the aftermarket stuff has higher lift and duration, especially BC3's...
I think BC3s are in between mild and wild....a setup good for daily driving

I love the displacement too but I cant afford to sleeve my block...
Im leaning towards the p30s cuz like some of you said pct's are too much compression on my motor

Im sure p30's would be a good mix with the cams and gears from BC......
Id like to upgrade the valvetrain as well just to be safe since OptionJDM is selling cams, gears, valve springs and retainers as a combo

310 injectors should be enough for this setup, ive seen a bunch of modded b18c's like the one Iplan to mod with 310cc injectors
anyone know if a fuel pump upgrade is a must???

I do all the regular maintenance on my car such as oil, filter, plugs, wires

Just got a set of NGK iridium plugs with MSD wires....I take care of this motor well....
Hopefully this setup doesnt require any valve maintenance because I plan to have it tuned and leave it the way its tuned

bronx

damn.....to many I's

DefconDave

LOL now now Leitner

8.5K

why do you always have to be so childish? honestly...i had, and still have no intention to argue with you. but, i must say...your motor is a $10K build, runs 15+/1 afr pretty much at vtec activation and yyou are running what? maybe 13.0/1 c.r.? i'm not going to dis anything about your shop, set up or knowledge. i'll just say that some people need 13+ compression to make power, and, others don't. yes, your chart is decent to say the least, but, its is by NO means a monster. not for the cost. i'm loving the tq, though. i can't lie, but, i made 25whp less than you and spent $8500 less for my setup. jdm b20b block, oem 1st gen b16 head, 2nd gen im, fakedata gasket, H(2.5" collector)/SRI/2.5"E, no cat & ITR cams. no port stock valves, no cam gear tuning, ITR cams, not CTR's. anyway, don't get mad because we disagree. its just, honestly, with $10K, i'm know i could easily exceed 225whp, thru the cat. guaranteed. and that includes the cost of a REAL header and better cams. anyway, we need to keep this clean. we all love the sport, its just some people hate to lose. or, should i say, hate other people who have had success making very good power with much less money. i honestly wish i had time do slap together my killer b16 set up. but people would hate me....190+whp, stock bore? that would silence ALOT of people.

LEITNER

im not hating or being childish but the general statement that compression is overrated is stupid, compression is like a fundamental in performance. ever notice that the high output stock hondas run higher compression? i wonder why? i dont hate the cheap way of doing engines at all and if you can get the same power at 10.5:1 as 13:1 then maybe you should start building race engines. i just wanted to state that dyno numbers are just that #'s and numbers like BS baffles brains. its all about how long it takes to accelerate from point A to point B and that is where this engine is a monster and i would have it no other way.

why would people hate you for a stock bore b16 making 190? hasnt that been done before? i guess you would be the first? congrats on that if it happens.

8.5K

all i can say is this, if you are building an all-out race motor, then ultra high compression is a necessity. but, if you are trying to make 190-220whp, high compression (12+ and up) is not necessary. its all about a good set-up. if you don't agree, then...i'll just leave it at that. it is a fact that high compression motors run little, if any timing. and, lower compression motors run moderate to high timing and make very good, usable power. now, to your compression argument. i have a question for you...why have i seen a usdm 18c1 longblock with cam gears and 2.25" exhaust make 158whp, and ITR's make 162whp? the C1 has .6 less compression, smaller cams, smaller t/b, dual stage im, more restrictive exhaust piping, lower flowing intake valves, and no in house port. anyway, its a FACT, whether you believe it or not. maybe this is the problem, you are thinking full race, and, i'm thinking practical daily driver. either way, lower compression motors last longer, produce less heat, are less prone to detonation and have the ability to run more timing. anyway, this is a dead issue. i'm just suprised that you disgree. to me, it speaks volumes. you don't want to admit it. you'd rather dodge the fact like a cheating *****. lastly, yes, 190whp stock bore 16's have been built...i rebuke your sarcasm. its just that there are very few. and, probably none in T.O. unless you want to count your 84mm b16 build. i'm done with this thread, and, probably the whole performance section in general. some people are just too ignorant. either that, or they just don't know.

LEITNER

if you are done then go already. just funny how i am getting rebuked like a cheating *****. hmmm name calling, seems a bit childish to me doesnt it? i must be ignorant because for damn sure i know what im talking about. if you had read correctly which you have not you will notice i have not diagreed with what you have said. i disagreed with the statement that compression is over rated. you are the one writing a book about all my engines faults and slinging the sh*t in an effort to look good. moron.

scott newman

Steve, I really think that compression is king, hmm, maybe thats why I drive a diesel!!! hahahah Anyways, dont wast your time with all this mumbo jumbo, Every piece of the puzzle helps, weather it be compression, or timing or whatever, to make a very good reliable fast engine it takes all components, you know this and have made a livivng at it for, well your whole life.