neilff

i was trying to teach my friend stick in a parking lot the other night, she stalled the car, and it never turned back on.

there is gas entering the cylinders, but it is not sparking. I'm throwing a cel, code 20, which is "Electrical Load Detector defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor".

my friend is coming over now to see if we can figure it out, were gonna try and locate the problem by testing the circuits...

ive checked ground wires, and fuses. my plugs, wires, rotor, and cap should be fine.. but im waiting to test the circuits before i go replacing them

any help?

punkindrublic

could be a lot of things... hopefully the timing belt didn't snap

imported_gatherer

do you hear the starter moving when you try to start the car?

imported_Cablerat

5TH GEN CIVIC? IF SO,

Stock Civic ECU's are not wired for Electrical Load Detectors(ELD's).. So it's really odd that you'd get that code first of all. The haynes will show you how to test it and all that ****, but you will not find the ELD wires. Trust me, I had this problem with my swap on a 93 si hatch.. the new ecu was looking for ELD and kept throwing the code.. I checked the Haynes and it said test this and that wires.. Could NOT find those wires.. The ecu clip doesn't even have a pin for the ELD either.

ELD will NOT make your car NOT START.

You said there's no spark, but there is battery power? Is the starter spinning?

If the starter is spinning the flywheel, check for spark on all wires.. Check Dizzy, grounds, etc..

As gatherer said, check to see if timing belt is not broken, cuz if it is and your cranking it.. man, there goes your valves..

94civcsi

if the starter doesn't go, and you here a click'n sound when you try to start it, and if she kept stalling the car, and turning the ignition off/on, it damages the battery, even thou the battery will check ok with the volt meter, it will fail a load test. Take the battery to canadian tire for a loud test, or swap it with another one and see if it starts. Bump starting it will also work if you real need to drive it. Similar thing happen to me.

neilff

i checked all grounds, distrobutor is recieving power, i swapped ignition coil , cap & rotor with my brothers car, did nothing. also checked all wires for spark, nothing...

if the timing belt was broken, would the rotor still spin?

what is the easiet way to take of timing belt cover?

neilff

already done, the battery passed all tests and is charged

also, she only stalled the car once and it happened.

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

if timing belt is broken, the dizzy rotor would not spin at all...

if timing belt skipped a tooth or two, you would get spark but at the wrong time

ignition module could have overheated and fried... check Chilton, Haynes, Helms for more info...

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

Did you check ignition fuse BTW... underhood relays and fuses and in the fuse panel too?

neilff

IG 50a fuse is fine (ignition fuse, right?)
i'm really stumped on this one..

any other part i should try swapping from my bros civic to mine?
i was thinking the entire distributor, but that might be a little harder than it looks. plus this distributor is from my new engine and shouldnt have more than 50,000 km or whatever the jdm limit is..

punkindrublic

you should check for sure if the timming belt has broken... cause the more you fiddle with it broken the worse your valves will get...

maybe a seized distributor?? i had that one happen

white92d15b7

its two bolts to look at the timing belt

white92d15b7

maybe go back to the gas problem open your fuel door and take off the cap turn the key on to the position right before you click to start if you hear the pump come on without starting the car you should hear it when all the special lights are on maybe fuel pump i had same problem shut it off and it wouldn't start turnd out my fuel pump top had corooded and the positive wire was no longer connected so i re jimmy rigged it and it worked ever since i sold the car

neilff

but if the timing belt was broken, the cam & cam gear would not spin, which in turn would not allow the rotor to sping right?

seized distributor? what does this mean?

im trying to find a new distributor now.. its difficult seeing how i cannot go and pick one up. especially considering i need it for friday cause i gotta get down to work

punkindrublic

well if you have a seized distributor basically you will get no spark... i'm not sure what physcally happens to it internally but basically it doesn't work... i had to get mine replaced....

if your timing belt is broken your bottom end will still move... like it will crank over... but your top end will not cause the timming belt is not connecting the two.... so basically your pistons will come up and down... and smash into any valves that are open

i would not suggest try to see if your timming belt is broken by cranking it over though

imported_gatherer

ok just curious how'd we get on the Idea that the timing belt might be broken?

anyways my orginal suggest is do you hear the starter try and turn???

punkindrublic

well if the car staled then it puts a jolt though the motor... and on an old timing belt it could stap just like that.... that was my thoughts cause it happened to a friend of mine....

but nobody can really tell what it is without looking and actually hearing the car

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

timing belt stap... that's unpossible He says his dizzy is spinning, which means his TIMING BELT IS FINE... this is NOT a mech problem... rather a sensor one. HAVE YOU CHECKED YOUR CRANK POSITION SENSOR... if you have a tach, does it move at all when you turn the motor over... if not, replace your CPS, and you will be back up and running in 5 minutes worth of work... you sit, you crank, you see tach not move, you replace CTS... simple as that. Don't swap distributors, you'll **** up more than you could possibly fix by doing that.

See... if the engine doesn't know you are cranking it (ie. CPS not providing any signal), then it has no reason to send voltage to the ignition module.

Here is a tip: don't get your ***** caught in your zipper, I hear it hurts j/k trying to lighten the mood.

imported_Cablerat

Yeah Bruno's right..

If the dizzy rotor spins the timing belt is fine.

blk93si

95 si ditributor - $70 - 416-885-0453- ask for mayo

tell him u got ### from Civic Paul

good luck