Mr. Death

At the end of the day it's all about being satisfied with how you car performs for YOU. If 237whp, 243 wt @ 11psi makes you happy and the car is running well then fine but with a proper dyno tuning session you'd probably hit 260/270 whp at that same boost setting.

imported_Paolo

What do u mean proper dyno session?

HAPPY

Yup, it's this approach that convinced me to start U2NDyno.com.

Over the years I have built a number of cars from 160whp N/A B16's, to 250whp turbo D16's to 400rwhp SR20DET's (heading for 450). All of these cars have been on dynos and in my experience, I was never absolutly happy with the service I received as a customer.

Tuners often attempt to scare their customers into thinking tuning is some sort of black art. It's not...but it's this scare tactic that enables somebody like Paul from Neetronics to say I won't touch a car for less than $800.

I'm glad to see you and Defcon_Dave openly educating people in this community....it's refreshing to see.

Mr. Death

On a dyno as compared to street tuning.

zeeman

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his car was tuned on a dyno. I don't know if you read what his setup is, but its a super simple setup with a cast iron turbo manifold with a 2.5" exhaust that bottle necks down to 2" at the axle back, so essentially deeming his 2.5" exhaust as useful as a 2".
Like you said, its all about YOU being satisfied with the way YOUR car performs....and from what i've gathered Paolo is more than happy with the way his car drives and the power he put down at the dyno.
That pull where he put down 251whp and 237ft/lbs was with him letting off the gas b/c the sound of the turbo spooling at 13psi scared him (us both to be honest) a little. Its amazing how much different a turbo sounds at 11psi compared to 13psi. And up to that point we never heard his turbo make noise like that b/c he only ever really ran 11psi.

He posted this thread b/c he wanted to inform people that are in the same boat as he was before he bought all of the turbo parts and boosted his car....NOT so people could tell him, he can make more power with this or that, or that he should have done this or that differently.

Again, i agree with you HAPPY, a lot of other tuners won't take the time to explain exactly what they are doing, or why. Or how our tuning changes effect power output or things or that nature.
I'd really like to try your dyno out one day and meet you, as i enjoy meeting other knowledable people that can share some knowledge and toss ideas back and forth with me.

imported_Paolo

I do realise i could have made more power at the same psi, but like the thread says , i have a 2.5" exhaust, bottle necking into a 2". I respect the fact ur Boosted LS did 260-270whp @11psi, im happy to hear, i know there is always going to be someone whos set up is better, and im fine with that. Instead of u just tossing that out with no point, why dont u post ur dyno sheet , like Brian did ( great numbers ) , and help educate people on Boosted LS's. That is the point of this thread, i made that clear at the beginning. Boosted LS's are becomming very popular, alot of guys want to do them, this thread was just to show some numbers.

Mr. Death

I don't have a boosted ls but rather a d16z6 which makes 223hp with 195 ftlb tq at 11 psi. Theres a great thread on HT regarding boosted LS's and how much power they can make in stock form. Thats were I got the figures from. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not hating you numbers or set up at all, I merely stated that more power is available if you want. I have to find a pic of the graph but for now here's a pic of my dyno results. Keep in mind this was on a Mustang dyno which tend to read low. I know it's irrelavant as this thread has to do with boosted LS's but here ya go anyhow..

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

^^^ nice.
Whats the setup consist of?

More power is ALWAYS available, its just depends on how much money you wanna spend on it.

How much would you say you've got invested into your engine/turbo setup Mr. Death?

imported_Paolo

Mr.Death, i am confident that guys on honda-tech are makeing higher numbers, but at the same time those guys laugh at ebay kits. The same guys u talk about posting high numbers, are the same guys with 3" exhaust, ram horn stainless steal manifold, and about $5000 invested. My results are off a bare minimum set up, i bought for alot less. Brian showed how much more a 3" downpipe/exhaust would have made, and also brought up the point that my exhaust is limiting my dyno results. I really dont think u took the time to read this thread before u started commenting. I realize more power is available just by changing the exhaust alone. As for u comparing it to results on honda-tech, thats ur choice, but u should have looked at the whole post, and realized that what u said was already clearly known, before u posted. It doesnt bother me that other guys make more power, thats always going to be the case, it bothers me that i specifically said this isnt a comparison post, at the beginning of my thread.

Mr. Death

D16Z6 stock top to bottom.
APR headstuds
GT28R turbo
Edelbrock turbo manifold
Prescision intercooler
DSM 450's
Tial BOV

I'm gonna turn up the boost this year and try and hit 250hp on a stock block.

imported_rhd_ef

can i use a "oil restrictor on my fuel style hose oil feed from my oil press. sensor to my turbo.

Turbo is a TD05H

brianmcgaugh

You can use a restrictor on pretty much any oil line, but do you need one?

Does your feed have JIC ends?
If so what size?

imported_Turbo-D

I'll be going tomorrow, I'll let you all know how it goes.

imported_Paolo

Have fun man, ull notice the difference in ur car right away. Who tuned it the first time for u?

imported_Turbo-D

I have no clue, I bought the car from a Ford dealer the way it is.

Dr.K

Interesting read. Good post's. Lots of Info.