imported_LiL Devil

Looking to get a supercharger for my b16 SIR. Do you guys think jackson racing is better or Vortech or maybe some other brand? And let say i'll keep the car for a long time and the supercharger broke is there a place i can have it rebuild in GTA or do i need a new one?

zeeman

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oh god, do yourself a favour and DO NOT supercharge a b16.
I've seen it a few times, and the results are far from impressive.
IMO a supercharger on a 4 cylinder thats smaller than a 2L is gunna suck. In order for a supercharger to be really efficient the engine already needs to make a good amount of power. The supercharger is driven by the engine, so if the engine doesn't make a whole lot of power or torque (which is the case with b16s) the supercharger isn't going to add a whole lot of power.
Honestly, your better off turbocharging your car IMO.

VTEC_Thunder

You'd actually lose power when out of boost and have really crapy fuel mileage...


Like zeeman said....go turbo....doesn't rob your car of any power to make more power...

imported_LiL Devil

Thanks, okay so what turbo Kit is good? Or if I was to build my own turbo what is a good computer to use inorder to tune the engine and a good place to have it tune ? ******** any good for tunning?

zeeman

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you can use pretty much any obd-1 ecu and have it chipped. Then you'll be all set for a crome tune. I tune cars, PM me for more info.
You could do it a little cheaper by peicing a kit together, but sometimes its just easier to buy a nice pre-fabbed kit (drag, rev hard, etc etc, there are a bunch of good kits out there). Don't forget about larger injectors and a bigger (at least 2.5", but ideally 3" exhaust).

imported_Mashimaro

if you're going to supercharge, look at the Vortech kit. they make great power compared to the jackson racing s/c kits, but the do cost a lot.

the Vortech S/C can produce 270-290whp on a stock block B16. (we've got a guy at the local shop with 293whp on a vortech b16!)

but yah, i feel turbo is a better way to go...

Tego

You need power to make power...

Thats what I heard when it come to S/C.

Nova_Dust

I tried to piece together a turbo kit and parts add up fast, even for a very basic setup.

You can buy the Edelbrock kit, save you the hassle, bolt on, tune, and go.

If you want to buy the parts separately, start with a horse power goal, which will affect the size of your turbo. Then work on fuel department (pump, injectors) cause the horse power will also determine the size of your injectors. Then you get the typical things like intercooler (side mount, front mount...), piping, turbo manifold... etc etc.

But you cannot rely on info from others, the best is to read about turbo online and once you understand what it is and how injector size works, then you will have a better understanding of how your own kit works as oppose to "this guy told me to use this and that so I did".

zeeman

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^^^^^great advice.
Research until you're blue in the face and you're eyes hurt, then take a smoke break and search some more.
Its best to completely understand how something works before installing it on your car, especially something like a turbo kit with so many parts.
If you peice it together, have someone fab you a kit (like weiRtech), buy a pre-fabbed kit, or a used kit, be prepared to spend $2500-4500 depending on how much work you will be doing yourself....maybe a little more if you're using a new, pre-fabbed kit (like the $4500 edelbrock kit) and paying someone to install it and tune it.

Nova_Dust

Good stuff Zeeman.

LiL Devil, even with my NA build, things are going through the roof (well, not "that" bad, but I am definitely going over budget). You really have to nickle and dime every god damn parts to save money, the moment you think "if I am spending 100, what's 120 gonna hurt?" then you will see your bill adds up fast.

Also, labour is expensive, and dyno tuning is generally 120/hr. If you can do these two things yourself, then you can do the job for less. But if you can't, put aside 1500 bucks for that. Believe me, set your budget generously cause you will need that contingency.

Also, OEM parts replacement, like water pump, timing belt, seals, this and that, they also add up fast. Sure if you go aftermarket you can save a few buck, but almost everyone will tell you go to OEM.

If you want to build it right and make it last (NA or forced induction), some parts cannot be overlooked.

At the end of the day, the same rule applies: Cheap, Fast, Reliable. Pick two.

bbarbulo

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I'm all about good quality prefabbed kits.. a lotta them skimp on fuel control, but that's where zeeman steps in with crome. Edelbrock IMO is a fantastic kit.

If you still wanna be diff't and supercharge, Vortech is the only kit worth looking at. I've seen pretty decent numbers with that.

For the record, a supercharger on an AMG mercedes USES as much power as a Civic makes!!!

imported_weiRtech

superchargers are ineffecient as stated earlier. turbocharging technology has come a long way and some can almost deliver boost without any lag.

if you need help with building your setup let me know. right now i'm building manifolds and downpipes for a couple bmw's as well as a unique setup for a b16, i'll have to post pics of that one when i get a chance, but i'm waiting for some parts from the customer.

as for tuning, don't scrimp out on this. zeeman knows his stuff and did some street tuning on my second setup to about 280whp at 8psi in just a couple hours.

bbarbulo

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^^^ unless your help building manifolds is free, you're spamming and will be banned. I've told you this a hundred times.

nonetheless you do good work.

VTEC_Thunder

If you do go supercharged on your b16...go centrifugal (like vortech), NOT twin screw 'roots' type...

The cetrifugal type will take less power to spin.

chris_si98

with the mild compression ratio of a b16a2 it's not the best idea to supercharge it. Those IAT's get really hot since there is no aftercooler, and if you wanted an aftercooler it is very pricey. About 700-1000$ or even more. If you are set on s/c'ing it, I would definately look into meth. injection to help reduce detonation and you'll be able to get away with a higher rated pulley. (more powaa).

But with all those hassles.. a turbo'ed b16 will dust a s/c b16 out of the water. IMO, turbo is the way to go..

imported_LiL Devil

Rather than super fast car, I am looking to have a reliable and fun to drive car. around 220whp will do for me either it's a supercharger or turbocharger it's no a big problem. Now I am mpre leaning toward turbocharger. If i was to stay with OBD2 what is the best chip/piggy back computer to tune with? Because I understand that tunning a turbo car is key to the whole thing. I really wanna learn how to tune a car, anyone recommand a good read?

chris_si98

You cannot stick with obd2 if you plan on properly tuning your car.

Get a p28 ecu and conversion harness off zeeman and get him to tune it definately.

Otherwise your options are limited if you stick with the obd2 ecu (since it's very rare and expensive to find someone who can chip on obdII ecu) Don't use a hack or a e-manage system. You said you wanted your car to be reliable, well the only way to do it is to convert to obd1 and get a good solid tune.

imported_weiRtech

no offence andrew, but what about zeeman? isn't he spamming too then?

i do appreciate the compliment.

zeeman

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a chipped ecu/conversion harness/street tune will be cheaper than any other sort of engine management for an obd2 car, other than a vafc (but thats hardly engine management). The greddy egarbage (emanage) ultimate is like $600 with all of the harness and extra crap you'll need then you'll have to pay someone to tune it.
I'm with bruno about the vortec being the only s/c to use on a honda, but turbo is the way to go IMO, who doesn't love the sound of a turbo spooling and a BOV?

zeeman

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thanks.....***

j/k