best bang for buck (engine swap)
04-Jul-2004, 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by coreyhayman
cablerat im a moron?......idiot i know 3 guys know that have had the same thing happen to there h22's from revving them past 6,000, keep reving ur car and i bet u in another 5,000 you'll be doing a valve job....dont call me a moron based on what i comented on...and i ddint tell him to get a b16 so i dunno where ur lil 'Yeah get a B16 so you have to rev past 6000 rpm before you get any power.. talk about noisy motors.. geeze, all you hear is a screaming engine and a the car is still sitting there' comment came from, and 100lbs is alot of extra weight on a front end of a car, and even more if your serious into racing, so think twice b4 u open your mouth and dont act so immature.
cablerat im a moron?......idiot i know 3 guys know that have had the same thing happen to there h22's from revving them past 6,000, keep reving ur car and i bet u in another 5,000 you'll be doing a valve job....dont call me a moron based on what i comented on...and i ddint tell him to get a b16 so i dunno where ur lil 'Yeah get a B16 so you have to rev past 6000 rpm before you get any power.. talk about noisy motors.. geeze, all you hear is a screaming engine and a the car is still sitting there' comment came from, and 100lbs is alot of extra weight on a front end of a car, and even more if your serious into racing, so think twice b4 u open your mouth and dont act so immature.
Instead of a couple of bad motors to a few??
So i'm going to go from a perfect motor 0-5% leakdown all across and perfect compression to needing new valves in 5000 KMs?? Wanna put some money on that?
90% of any racing anyone on this board is ever going do is straightline track racing, so don't stress out on handling.. Like I said before, the 100lbs can easily be compensated for! A solid suspension and you'll be handling just as good as any B18C.
B16, B18, whatever, they are all torque-less therefore have to rev to hell before you actually get significant power.
Fact of the matter is, BANG for BUCK is the H22!
04-Jul-2004, 01:13 PM
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^^^wrong....h22a is an expensive swap to do therefore not bang for buck material....you have to hack your **** install prelude shifter and wire in all in...h22a is not a great setup and 100 lbs is a bitch load on weight when it comes to racing that's like a full gutted interior...
best bang for buck is b18b with gsr tranny cause you can boost it spray it and throw some crower 404's in it for n/a power...or ls vtec...it's the best bang for buck..not the fastest but the best bang..
best bang for buck is b18b with gsr tranny cause you can boost it spray it and throw some crower 404's in it for n/a power...or ls vtec...it's the best bang for buck..not the fastest but the best bang..
04-Jul-2004, 04:15 PM
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^^^ thank you, somebody with some knowledge...Cablerat
keep reving your motor past 6,000 rpms and i bet u within 6-8months ull b replacing your valves...iv got many friends with h22 preludes and they all dop the same thing, two of the guy warped there valves and damaged there heads from reving the **** out of it to much, even the mechanic at one of the shops they took the car to told him the same thing, dont rev these motors cuzz they cant take it, and yes 100lbs is a ton more weight, go slap 100lbs on the front end of your car and cruise around with it, i gurantee u ull feel it and notice ur car handles like ***. h22 is def nott he best bang for buck, for what a h22 cost u could get a b18c5 which is a 5x better motor. nuff said
keep reving your motor past 6,000 rpms and i bet u within 6-8months ull b replacing your valves...iv got many friends with h22 preludes and they all dop the same thing, two of the guy warped there valves and damaged there heads from reving the **** out of it to much, even the mechanic at one of the shops they took the car to told him the same thing, dont rev these motors cuzz they cant take it, and yes 100lbs is a ton more weight, go slap 100lbs on the front end of your car and cruise around with it, i gurantee u ull feel it and notice ur car handles like ***. h22 is def nott he best bang for buck, for what a h22 cost u could get a b18c5 which is a 5x better motor. nuff said
04-Jul-2004, 06:04 PM
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H22 is not the best bang for the buck. For the price of the motor, parts and install, you can get a B18B turbocharged. As for revving the S**t out of a motor, the B16's and B18C's are the best motors to rev, but they don't have the torque.
My opinion...do a B18B turbo. That way, you can build on that in the future.
What you should actually be asking yourself is....how much money you're willing to spend. Cuz that could possibly make a difference on your selection.
My opinion...do a B18B turbo. That way, you can build on that in the future.
What you should actually be asking yourself is....how much money you're willing to spend. Cuz that could possibly make a difference on your selection.
04-Jul-2004, 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by coreyhayman
ur best bet is a b18b then for under 2,000....for 2,000 uwont b getting a h22,b18c1 etc, u'd need doube the money...u'd b happy with a b18b swap
ur best bet is a b18b then for under 2,000....for 2,000 uwont b getting a h22,b18c1 etc, u'd need doube the money...u'd b happy with a b18b swap
Then down the road if you want a little bit more power, just bolt on a turbo
05-Jul-2004, 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by coreyhayman
^^^ thank you, somebody with some knowledge...Cablerat
keep reving your motor past 6,000 rpms and i bet u within 6-8months ull b replacing your valves...iv got many friends with h22 preludes and they all dop the same thing, two of the guy warped there valves and damaged there heads from reving the **** out of it to much, even the mechanic at one of the shops they took the car to told him the same thing, dont rev these motors cuzz they cant take it, and yes 100lbs is a ton more weight, go slap 100lbs on the front end of your car and cruise around with it, i gurantee u ull feel it and notice ur car handles like ***. h22 is def nott he best bang for buck, for what a h22 cost u could get a b18c5 which is a 5x better motor. nuff said
^^^ thank you, somebody with some knowledge...Cablerat
keep reving your motor past 6,000 rpms and i bet u within 6-8months ull b replacing your valves...iv got many friends with h22 preludes and they all dop the same thing, two of the guy warped there valves and damaged there heads from reving the **** out of it to much, even the mechanic at one of the shops they took the car to told him the same thing, dont rev these motors cuzz they cant take it, and yes 100lbs is a ton more weight, go slap 100lbs on the front end of your car and cruise around with it, i gurantee u ull feel it and notice ur car handles like ***. h22 is def nott he best bang for buck, for what a h22 cost u could get a b18c5 which is a 5x better motor. nuff said
Installing is difficult, but like I said, if you have some knowledge and know-how, it's quite simple.. Wiring is very simple if you use a chipped P28. The prelude Linkage requires a wider cut to sit in a civic, but feel so much better than any civic linkage out there. If you're gonna do a swap, make it worthwhile.
I have that front end on my car and it handles just fine.. Ask JSK, I drove his B20 and he drove my H22a, considering mine was sitting on a stock suspension they felt just as heavy in front.
B18B is not gonna get your 160-190 WHP for $2000.
05-Jul-2004, 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by dingus88
^^^wrong....h22a is an expensive swap to do therefore not bang for buck material....you have to hack your **** install prelude shifter and wire in all in...h22a is not a great setup and 100 lbs is a bitch load on weight when it comes to racing that's like a full gutted interior...
best bang for buck is b18b with gsr tranny cause you can boost it spray it and throw some crower 404's in it for n/a power...or ls vtec...it's the best bang for buck..not the fastest but the best bang..
^^^wrong....h22a is an expensive swap to do therefore not bang for buck material....you have to hack your **** install prelude shifter and wire in all in...h22a is not a great setup and 100 lbs is a bitch load on weight when it comes to racing that's like a full gutted interior...
best bang for buck is b18b with gsr tranny cause you can boost it spray it and throw some crower 404's in it for n/a power...or ls vtec...it's the best bang for buck..not the fastest but the best bang..
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07-Jul-2004, 01:11 AM
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my opinion on best bang for the buck set up would be b20 vtec or ls vtec.
If going b20, make sure its the b20Z and not the b20B.
My friend has had this set up in his 93 hatch for almost a year now, and its still running strong and his redline is 8800RPM.
As for the H22 not likeing to be rev'd. My brother has had his for a little over a year now, and he rev's it to I think 7600 or 7800 and has had no prob's what so ever. He has recently built up his head, and suposilly the head is good for 10k now. He still would never shift past 8k though.
If you wanna go with a safe reliable set up, im thinking b18C would be your best bet, great motor from stock with lots of room for growth (built for N/A. or Turbo).
But of coarse this is just my opinion.
Good luck with whatever set-up you choose to do bro.
If going b20, make sure its the b20Z and not the b20B.
My friend has had this set up in his 93 hatch for almost a year now, and its still running strong and his redline is 8800RPM.
As for the H22 not likeing to be rev'd. My brother has had his for a little over a year now, and he rev's it to I think 7600 or 7800 and has had no prob's what so ever. He has recently built up his head, and suposilly the head is good for 10k now. He still would never shift past 8k though.
If you wanna go with a safe reliable set up, im thinking b18C would be your best bet, great motor from stock with lots of room for growth (built for N/A. or Turbo).
But of coarse this is just my opinion.
Good luck with whatever set-up you choose to do bro.
07-Jul-2004, 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by Ge0
i was basicly looking for an engine that had 160-190whp, and was less than 2000cdn....i might be doin to swap myself but how much do shops ask for.
i was basicly looking for an engine that had 160-190whp, and was less than 2000cdn....i might be doin to swap myself but how much do shops ask for.
there is no stock engine that will give you 160-190 at the wheels for $2000 installed.
based around your questions, I HIGHLY DOUBT that you will doing the install yourself.
for $2000 just get yourself a nice suspension and a set of rims.
btw when do you plan to buy a Civic?
07-Jul-2004, 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by djtrini
my opinion on best bang for the buck set up would be b20 vtec or ls vtec.
If going b20, make sure its the b20Z and not the b20B.
My friend has had this set up in his 93 hatch for almost a year now, and its still running strong and his redline is 8800RPM.
As for the H22 not likeing to be rev'd. My brother has had his for a little over a year now, and he rev's it to I think 7600 or 7800 and has had no prob's what so ever. He has recently built up his head, and suposilly the head is good for 10k now. He still would never shift past 8k though.
If you wanna go with a safe reliable set up, im thinking b18C would be your best bet, great motor from stock with lots of room for growth (built for N/A. or Turbo).
But of coarse this is just my opinion.
Good luck with whatever set-up you choose to do bro.
my opinion on best bang for the buck set up would be b20 vtec or ls vtec.
If going b20, make sure its the b20Z and not the b20B.
My friend has had this set up in his 93 hatch for almost a year now, and its still running strong and his redline is 8800RPM.
As for the H22 not likeing to be rev'd. My brother has had his for a little over a year now, and he rev's it to I think 7600 or 7800 and has had no prob's what so ever. He has recently built up his head, and suposilly the head is good for 10k now. He still would never shift past 8k though.
If you wanna go with a safe reliable set up, im thinking b18C would be your best bet, great motor from stock with lots of room for growth (built for N/A. or Turbo).
But of coarse this is just my opinion.
Good luck with whatever set-up you choose to do bro.
that was my first B20 civic experience was this guys buddys car, **** that car screams, and pulls hard out of the hole... I was sold on the b20 before he took me for a run, and now its written in stone, im doing a b20 swap no ifs ands of buts, for under 2 g's nothing will touch it. and witht eh right tranny its damn economical, I always hear JSK talking about 600k a tank, thats just as good as my d16y7 lollots of torque and its still a light B series, also straight forward swap.
07-Jul-2004, 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by djtrini
my opinion on best bang for the buck set up would be b20 vtec or ls vtec.
my opinion on best bang for the buck set up would be b20 vtec or ls vtec.
1st of all, $2000 will not get him close to that setup
2nd, if you'll be putting a CR-Vtec or LS-Vtec together, I dont see any point unless you build the motor up, which he'll probably need another $11,000-$13,000 on top of his $2000. And that will get him roughly 190 hp to the wheels.
For $2000, he doesn't really have that many options.
I agree with JookSingKid.....with that money, take care of your suspension first.
