B18B vs JDM B16A2
B18B vs JDM B16A2
01-Aug-2002, 11:04 PM
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- what kinda track are you going for? Drag? Circuit?
- is VTEC important to you?
answering "yes" to question 2 will probably mean that you should take the B16A. But that brings to you back to question 1, are you draggin or circuit racing? In drag there's definetely "no replacment for displacement" so the B18 would be best.
However, if you're circuit racing, it doesn't really matter (at least I beleive so) what engine you put in, bigger displacement on circuit is definetely a bonus though.
It's really up to you, I won't bother putting in my personal preference
hehhee...since it's a daily drive as well 
- is VTEC important to you?
answering "yes" to question 2 will probably mean that you should take the B16A. But that brings to you back to question 1, are you draggin or circuit racing? In drag there's definetely "no replacment for displacement" so the B18 would be best.
However, if you're circuit racing, it doesn't really matter (at least I beleive so) what engine you put in, bigger displacement on circuit is definetely a bonus though.
It's really up to you, I won't bother putting in my personal preference
hehhee...since it's a daily drive as well
02-Aug-2002, 03:30 AM
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b16
depends on how much you have to spend. b16's your looking at 3-4000 for the complete swap. b18b's anywhere from 1200-2500. these are just ball park figures. you could expect to pay more or less, but not by much. figure out your budget and go from there. swaps arent cheap, and arent for everyone.
also do you want a motor with torque and no revs? or a motor with revs and no torque? do your research. dont let people persuede you in what they want for your car. read up about each motor. right down a list of likes and dislikes for each. this might sound funny, but i actually did this. think about what you want to do with the motor. dont just swap because everyone is doing it and you feel left out.
there's no question which motor i'd choose. now its upto you to make a decision.
depends on how much you have to spend. b16's your looking at 3-4000 for the complete swap. b18b's anywhere from 1200-2500. these are just ball park figures. you could expect to pay more or less, but not by much. figure out your budget and go from there. swaps arent cheap, and arent for everyone.
also do you want a motor with torque and no revs? or a motor with revs and no torque? do your research. dont let people persuede you in what they want for your car. read up about each motor. right down a list of likes and dislikes for each. this might sound funny, but i actually did this. think about what you want to do with the motor. dont just swap because everyone is doing it and you feel left out.
there's no question which motor i'd choose. now its upto you to make a decision.
02-Aug-2002, 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by ryuujin
- what kinda track are you going for? Drag? Circuit?
- is VTEC important to you?
answering "yes" to question 2 will probably mean that you should take the B16A. But that brings to you back to question 1, are you draggin or circuit racing? In drag there's definetely "no replacment for displacement" so the B18 would be best.
However, if you're circuit racing, it doesn't really matter (at least I beleive so) what engine you put in, bigger displacement on circuit is definetely a bonus though.
It's really up to you, I won't bother putting in my personal preference hehhee...since it's a daily drive as well
- what kinda track are you going for? Drag? Circuit?
- is VTEC important to you?
answering "yes" to question 2 will probably mean that you should take the B16A. But that brings to you back to question 1, are you draggin or circuit racing? In drag there's definetely "no replacment for displacement" so the B18 would be best.
However, if you're circuit racing, it doesn't really matter (at least I beleive so) what engine you put in, bigger displacement on circuit is definetely a bonus though.
It's really up to you, I won't bother putting in my personal preference
hehhee...since it's a daily drive as well
Personal preferences, experiences etc. is what I'm looking for. I've study both engines(and many more), but its hard to really understand the characteristics of any engine by just reading up on specs.
02-Aug-2002, 10:18 AM
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with this a daily drive the B18B sounds really tempting, however, you don't get that VTEC roar which I personally enjoy (having sat in friends cars before). But the 1800cc is definetely fun to hop around in around town when you need that sudden burst to change lanes without revving the hell outta the engine
with the B16A like civic_hb96 said, it's got high revs with no torque, but if you were to buy a B16A and later down the road you're really sick of having no torque you could always opt for a B18b block and hook up a franky motor. With the other way around, you'd have to look for a B16A head by itself which I can't say how easy it would be, because I honestly wouldn't know...
personal preference if I were able to get a swap? I'd probably get the B16A then if I didn't like the 1600cc then I'd upgrade and stick either a B20 block or B18 block down the road in the future. So if you choose to get a B16, you'll be living with a torqueless wonder for quite sometime, unless you have ca$h flowing outta your ***, in which case share the wealth man
HTH a little.
with the B16A like civic_hb96 said, it's got high revs with no torque, but if you were to buy a B16A and later down the road you're really sick of having no torque you could always opt for a B18b block and hook up a franky motor. With the other way around, you'd have to look for a B16A head by itself which I can't say how easy it would be, because I honestly wouldn't know...
personal preference if I were able to get a swap? I'd probably get the B16A then if I didn't like the 1600cc then I'd upgrade and stick either a B20 block or B18 block down the road in the future. So if you choose to get a B16, you'll be living with a torqueless wonder for quite sometime, unless you have ca$h flowing outta your ***, in which case share the wealth man
HTH a little.
02-Aug-2002, 10:34 AM
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<<<------ B16AII JDM
very happy with it, however as posted above, be prepaired to rev to at least 4000 rpm before you feel any KICK, but its not a slug by any means shifting at 3000 rpm, with a B18 how can you tell how old it is? they have been making them for over a decade, at least a B16AII will probably be more recent, but alot more $BLING$BLING$ though...
who here has thrown a B18 block with a B16 head, just curious if there is a big difference if you're N/A
very happy with it, however as posted above, be prepaired to rev to at least 4000 rpm before you feel any KICK, but its not a slug by any means shifting at 3000 rpm, with a B18 how can you tell how old it is? they have been making them for over a decade, at least a B16AII will probably be more recent, but alot more $BLING$BLING$ though...
who here has thrown a B18 block with a B16 head, just curious if there is a big difference if you're N/A
02-Aug-2002, 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by ROB THE BRUCE
<<<------ B16AII JDM
very happy with it, however as posted above, be prepaired to rev to at least 4000 rpm before you feel any KICK, but its not a slug by any means shifting at 3000 rpm, with a B18 how can you tell how old it is? they have been making them for over a decade, at least a B16AII will probably be more recent, but alot more $BLING$BLING$ though...
who here has thrown a B18 block with a B16 head, just curious if there is a big difference if you're N/A
<<<------ B16AII JDM
very happy with it, however as posted above, be prepaired to rev to at least 4000 rpm before you feel any KICK, but its not a slug by any means shifting at 3000 rpm, with a B18 how can you tell how old it is? they have been making them for over a decade, at least a B16AII will probably be more recent, but alot more $BLING$BLING$ though...
who here has thrown a B18 block with a B16 head, just curious if there is a big difference if you're N/A
by the markings on the head. all honda cylinder heads have the date stamped on it of when it came out of the factory. should be right above the exhaust manifold.
b18B's have been around since '94, thats not quite a decade. b18A's i think from 90-93..
compare shifting at 3-4000 shifting in a b16 to a b18b. which one will you feel more? it really depends on how hard you step on the accelerator. driving normally you wont feel a difference in either maybe very little. step on it hard and you'll notice all the torque you're missing in the b16 compared to a b18b. match the b18b with a short geared tranny such as GSR/SIR/ITR and you'll feel it even more. But from a 60+km role or so, vtec engines will get you every time, but it will still be close
road coarse/circuit racing:
both motors have there advantages and dis-advantages. b16, will have the high revs plus vtec to take you down the straight, but no torque to pull you out of the corners. to do that you gotta keep it in vtec at 7500rpm
b18b's will have the torque to pull you out of the corner's and have some decent straight away pull also. you'll be shifting earlier then the other high rev motors around you. so while you're in 3rd at 5000rpm's, the next guy is in 2nd at 6500rpm in mid vtec pulling hard torwards you, maybe even passing you. but if you can beat him out of the corners, then he'll be seeing your tails trying to keep in vtec to pull on you.
keep in mind if you put enough money into each motor, they both will shine on the track regardless of vtec or torque.
non-vtec motors are good for low-mid end pull(out the box)
vtec motors are good for mid-high end pull(out the box)
what do you see yourself having more use for?
hope i made some sense. if i didnt , i'm sure i'll be corrected by someone.
GO VTECH
(ever think about a JEEP motor?pshhh never mind, like that'll fit
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02-Aug-2002, 07:02 PM
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Im also biased, but I will say B18b.. 
I did the same research as you did, and I decided on the B18b because of flexibility and of course money issue. I do wish I had the V-tecH roar, but B18b torque is more than enough to satisfy me.. you can really feel the difference in torque (my friend's SIR and my 4-dr hehe ).. then again, my B18b is not out of the box, during the swap I've added some other mods to it as well with the money I saved from a B16a2 motor.
Just the other day, I raced my friend's 1.8T and surprisinly I beat him.. that's how much kick the motor has (w/ some minor mods). But since we do not in any way promote street racing, I think it was a figment of my imagination or a dream! 
umm.. I guess one other option is to go for a test drive with me and someone's who's got an SIR swap.. up to you!
PM me if you are really going to go ahead with the swap.. I may be able to get you a hook up..
I did the same research as you did, and I decided on the B18b because of flexibility and of course money issue. I do wish I had the V-tecH roar, but B18b torque is more than enough to satisfy me.. you can really feel the difference in torque (my friend's SIR and my 4-dr hehe ).. then again, my B18b is not out of the box, during the swap I've added some other mods to it as well with the money I saved from a B16a2 motor.
Just the other day, I raced my friend's 1.8T and surprisinly I beat him.. that's how much kick the motor has (w/ some minor mods). But since we do not in any way promote street racing, I think it was a figment of my imagination or a dream!
umm.. I guess one other option is to go for a test drive with me and someone's who's got an SIR swap.. up to you!
PM me if you are really going to go ahead with the swap.. I may be able to get you a hook up..
05-Aug-2002, 02:41 AM
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take a b18b and spend the money you save and buy cams, gears, if you can afford pistons, etc build a motor and you will end up with more power and importantly more torque than a b16a2 vtec is not necessary. And most tuners in Japan disable variable vavle timing anyhow.
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