B16 Oil Cooler Q...
 

I have a B16 with a stock oil cooler like shown, here.

I already removed the stock O/C because I am getting a remote cooler. So the question is...know of any spin on adaptors that will work on a b16 block w/o the stock cooler?

Thanks

here, take your pick

http://www.modacar.com/products/Honda/Civic/MODAOICO/

i have no threaded post coming out of the block...those apdapters still work??

thanks

you don't wanna use the oil adapter plates for a remote cooler :tsk: UNLESS you pay a buttload of money for it OR install an external oil pump. $$$$$

why is that?

long answer short:

stress on pump and lower pressures

eg. take a regular straw and drink from it, then take a 3 foot straw and drink from THAT. yeah.... good luck

okay....but for a remote filter will those adapters work?

Thanks

same problem arises... you are trying to pump the oil an extra 4-5 feet which is very inefficient. pumping loss>mrchaos :D

BURN...lol

owned by physics...lol

I've been looking at using an oil cooler for a long time, and I haven't found a reasonable solution yet that will not affect reliability. I can just think of using a solenoid valve with an additional auxiliary pump so when the oil hits a certain temp, the solenoid opens a valve and activates the pump independent of what the normal system is using. Another option would be to actaully run coolant through a grid inside the oil pan cuz I'm pretty sure that coolant stays cooler than oil, and it's hella easier to find electric water pumps than it is to find oil pumps. Anyways, just a thought.

do vw's have much higher oil pressure than hondas? my 84 rabbit had an external oil cooler and many people install them aftermarket with no losses on oil pressure or reliability...but then again the oil filter on a rabbit is on the front of the block...and the hose to and from the cooler is maybe 2.5-3ft

any insight on this B?

depends on where you were measuring pressure from!! I mean, if you measure before the cooler, you'd be clueless. And you won't know it, but your cam bearings or whatever is furthest from the oil pump would be getting killed. DSM had a problem with their turbo feed and it was killing 1G turbos, so for 2G they redesigned the oil pickup. It makes THAT big of a difference, but slowly over time. Anytime you pump over a greater distance, with more fittings and lines, that's asking for trouble.

Besides, why do you think you need an oil cooler to begin with??

well I dont want one, my car runs at super optimal temps and pressures...I was just inquiring...and the phone is comin!!

OK cool!! The oil cooler question (why he wants it) was for mrchaos. :)

cause i am going with a turbo setup and that oil is gonna get hella hot.

is there an upgraded oil pump that i can buy?

thanks

yeah, but again... big $$$ JUN and Spoon make oil pumps, and I'm unaware of anyone else having oil pumps.

If you are using synthetic and running a turbo timer, I wouldn't be too concerned with the oil getting too hot. I've been considering welding little fins inside and outside the oil pan and ducting air to them on the outside :shrugs: just to reduce temps like 10-20 degrees. I think that would be good.

so let me get this straight bar...ur saying a stock oil pump will not be sufficient enought to run an external oil cooler?

never said it will not be sufficient... but you are introducing pumping losses that may cause starvation to the upper levels far from the oil pump (like head and turbo). most ppl think you just increase capacity, and everything else stays the same, but this is untrue. You are greatly increasing the pumping distance which was NOT designed into the stock oil system. You will essentially be doubling the distance that the pump has to move the oil, and that's just no good.

Bar..ur theory makes since..however there are many people out there running stock oil pumps on daily drivers. I think if someone is doing a basic turbo street application...it would be fine to run an external oil cooler. Yes there would be more demand put on the pump because the route is longer however how much resistance this the external cooler going to present....not enough to damage anything. Now..it u are planning on road racing a lot...then and stronger oil pump along with an oil pan are a must....

I think Toda makes one, or is this slightly different from what you guys are talking about? I know this is the oil pump gear :p

http://www.todaracing.com/images/pro...6a_oilpump.jpg

nope, that's it ryuujin, that's what we speak of. yeah, I forgot Toda

chillinit, I think a lot of ppl really drive the heck out of their cars, but they fail to see that race cars that get abused like that, well, they last 1-2 seasons, go through motors like I go through underwear :D and also get fresh oil after each race. Good oil too, not Wal-Mart crap. A lot of ppl have this "it's a Honda" mentality, that's why we see so many spun bearings and burned valves, etc. Yeah, you *CAN* do it, many ppl have, but I'd advise against it! Esp if it's being done for no particular reason as this seems to be the case.

bar...I understand what ur sayin...however..don't u think an external oil cooler WILL be benificial regards. I mean...its reducing heat within ur motor. Heat is the enemy. I'm going turbo myself this season and I'm using very good name brand oil(haven't really decided whether I will stick with mobil or switch to motul)...in any case...the potential problems that u could face from running an external oil cooler with a stock oil pump are totally out weighd by the simple fact of the heat generated. The tempertures that are reached under boost are redicualous! for example....in my friends ls turbo..the exhuast temp while crusing are at about 780°F...however once under boost...the temps quickly reach about 1300°F!! Honestly..that **** is scary...I want to do whatever possible to desipate the heat created when running boost! thats my 2 cents....It won't hurt to run an external oil cooler....u can make due without it... gotta deal with the heat! just don't start sweatin!:p

EGTs yeah, it gets hot... but that doesn't mean your oil gets that hot. Keep an eye on his oil temps and water temps. :wink: