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Old 28-Jul-2006, 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by B18C5er
Another question...when it came time for you guys to get emission tested, did the turbo cause you to fail? If so, how did you get around it?

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I'm not speaking from personal experience, but cee_mon on here is running a boosted d and passed his e-test with flying colours, pretty much comes down to tuning I would think.
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Old 28-Jul-2006, 08:42 PM
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cee_mon has an edlebrock kit (im pretty sure)

which is probably the ONLY kit that will allow you to still pass emissions ONLY if you keep there management.. which means you can't chip the ecu.

Chances are very rare that you will pass.. but we all know that there are ways around it. I've actually heard of people in cali strapping the kit off for the day.. then putting it back on.
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Old 28-Jul-2006, 08:50 PM
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cee_mon is actually running a greddy kit, afc hack for the tune. I've heard of others passing e-test also, it's not unheard of.
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of course its not un heard of.

But it's pretty hard to pass legally.
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Old 28-Jul-2006, 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by chris_si98
cee_mon has an edlebrock kit (im pretty sure)

which is probably the ONLY kit that will allow you to still pass emissions ONLY if you keep there management.. which means you can't chip the ecu.

Chances are very rare that you will pass.. but we all know that there are ways around it. I've actually heard of people in cali strapping the kit off for the day.. then putting it back on.
Ya, i've read a story or two over on H-T about guys uninstalling their kits for emissions purposes.

What about with a CARB legal kit...like the Greddy kits. Would those have a greater chance of passing or is that just with their full kit + their e-manage system?
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Old 28-Jul-2006, 10:23 PM
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you HAVE to use their management to keep the emissions low.

You'll risk losing power and possibly reliability
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Old 29-Jul-2006, 02:28 AM
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Originally posted by chris_si98
you HAVE to use their management to keep the emissions low.

You'll risk losing power and possibly reliability
That's what I thought. You win one way and lose another.
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Old 29-Jul-2006, 04:38 AM
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just have a different tuned chip for the 15 minutes you get e-tested for. have it run nice and lean and then switch it back.

i'm building a b to 16g log right now chris. what turbo were you planning on running?
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Old 29-Jul-2006, 11:45 AM
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This might be out of left field. But, I think that I am speaking for many of the enthusiasts on this board.

Would anybody who has gone through the entire process of making the soldering mods to the ECU and worked with TurboEdit, Crome, or Uberdata like to put on a seminar?

Let's say we had a small group of 10 to come out and check this one, and each one paid like 20-25 bucks to learn. I think it'd be worth the while for the instructor.

Anybody interested?
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Old 29-Jul-2006, 12:29 PM
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lol....give away trade secrets for $25 a person?!?!?!?....lol

When i tune cars i will usually answer any questions and show the person exactly what i'm doing in crome/TE/BRE.
I wish i had someone that could've put on a seminar to show me how to do all of this stuff....lol.
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Old 29-Jul-2006, 12:39 PM
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I wasn't thinking all the tip and tricks in the actual programming - that's a trade secret, I understand. More so with the physical mods on the ECUs.
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Old 29-Jul-2006, 12:42 PM
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you can come over and have me chip your ecu, in which case i will show you exactly what i'm doing.
I do everything right in front of my customers, i don't mind teaching people.
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Old 29-Jul-2006, 12:51 PM
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When it comes to tuning I have to say Paul at Neetronics is the man. Tuners and professional race teams (ETD racings Vibrant CRX which is Canadas fastest all motor car) go to Paul to have their car tunned now what does that tell ya. As far as passing etests is concerened a friend of mine which has his car turboed and tuned by Paul passed with flying colours.
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Old 29-Jul-2006, 01:02 PM
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paul knows what he's doing thats for sure. And he knows more than just hondas, i have friends that take their subarus there and with a stock block run almost 400whp. Paul even makes his own 2-6bar custom MAP sensors...in house.
When doing an etest, your car shouldn't see any boost, its not like they get it on the dyno and run the crap out of it, they only rev it up to like 3-4000rpms and like 25% throttle. If your non-boost portion of the fuel maps are tuned well, i don't know why you wouldn't pass emissions. But i know a lot of people that are building their cars for all out power don't use cats, have non-functioning pcv systems and remove other emission control devices.
My built b16 passed emissions with flying colours.
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Old 29-Jul-2006, 01:25 PM
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So is it possible to have more than one map stored so you can switch from say a high boost map to a low boost map whenever you feel like a change of pace? Like running a low boost for everyday driving while being able to turn it up on the weekends but still having it effecient?
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Old 29-Jul-2006, 02:14 PM
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theres no need for that, if you get your car tuned, it will be tuned for both low boost levels and higher boost levels.
But there is this thing called the 2timer, it allows you to switch between two separate programs on a chip.
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Originally posted by zeeman
theres no need for that, if you get your car tuned, it will be tuned for both low boost levels and higher boost levels.
But there is this thing called the 2timer, it allows you to switch between two separate programs on a chip.
oooh ok ok, i had thought that was the case but was not sure.

I think i've heard of that 2timer thing. You have to perform a restart on the car for the new map to take effect right?
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Originally posted by zeeman
paul knows what he's doing thats for sure. And he knows more than just hondas, i have friends that take their subarus there and with a stock block run almost 400whp. Paul even makes his own 2-6bar custom MAP sensors...in house.
When doing an etest, your car shouldn't see any boost, its not like they get it on the dyno and run the crap out of it, they only rev it up to like 3-4000rpms and like 25% throttle. If your non-boost portion of the fuel maps are tuned well, i don't know why you wouldn't pass emissions. But i know a lot of people that are building their cars for all out power don't use cats, have non-functioning pcv systems and remove other emission control devices.
My built b16 passed emissions with flying colours.
Well damn said my car was tuned by paul Built b18c1 passed with flying colors as well...


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Your chip on mikes car seemed pretty damn good to me my friend... nj
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Can you purchase cromepro locally? Or do you have to buy it straight from John at pgmfi.org?
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Old 30-Jul-2006, 07:10 PM
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you have to purchase it from John Cui. Just so you know, in order to have a crome tuned ecu, you don't have to purchase cromepro.
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