APC Coilovers?
11-Aug-2002, 05:39 PM
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APC Coilovers?
Hey all just was wondering I can get a set of used 7 month old APC coilovers for my civic. Is that a good coilover or should I stay away from that Brand
Imput on this would be great and the price for them is $92 for them and nothing wrong with them.
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Imput on this would be great and the price for them is $92 for them and nothing wrong with them.
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15-Aug-2002, 11:08 AM
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You do know that most coilovers and springs are manufacturered by a handfull of people.......all they do is slap a different logo on it......
Don't believe me?
Take a look here......
http://www.tommotorsport.com/catalog...y_id=&keyword=
Recognize some of the products? They don't have the logos on them yet.
http://www.tommotorsport.com/catalog...3637b2457732cc
http://www.tommotorsport.com/catalog...y_id=&keyword=
Ractive and APC don't make their own stuff......they call the manufacturer oversea's to make it for them......then they slap own their own logo. Anyone want a a cold air intake with a TCC logo on it? They'll do it.
Don't believe me?
Take a look here......
http://www.tommotorsport.com/catalog...y_id=&keyword=
Recognize some of the products? They don't have the logos on them yet.
http://www.tommotorsport.com/catalog...3637b2457732cc
http://www.tommotorsport.com/catalog...y_id=&keyword=
Ractive and APC don't make their own stuff......they call the manufacturer oversea's to make it for them......then they slap own their own logo. Anyone want a a cold air intake with a TCC logo on it? They'll do it.
15-Aug-2002, 11:20 AM
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It really depends on what you are looking for.
For those who are going for performance and enhanced handling, I would stay away from coilover sleeves (APC, Skunk2, Ground Control, etc). Coilover sleeves are a sad imitation to true coilover systems (Tein, Zeal, JIC, etc). People tend to mix these two together. Teaming up a set of Koni yellows with coilover sleeves is not the same as coilover systems. I would highly recommend performance shocks (Koni, Tokico, KYB, etc.) with lowering springs (Eibach, H&R, KG/MM, TEIN, etc.) for those who are looking for enhanced handling or getting the real thing.
For those who are going for performance and enhanced handling, I would stay away from coilover sleeves (APC, Skunk2, Ground Control, etc). Coilover sleeves are a sad imitation to true coilover systems (Tein, Zeal, JIC, etc). People tend to mix these two together. Teaming up a set of Koni yellows with coilover sleeves is not the same as coilover systems. I would highly recommend performance shocks (Koni, Tokico, KYB, etc.) with lowering springs (Eibach, H&R, KG/MM, TEIN, etc.) for those who are looking for enhanced handling or getting the real thing.
15-Aug-2002, 11:30 AM
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point very well made.... if the winter is what your afraid of .... then just get a good set of snows.... my car is dropped more then 2" with neuspeed race and koni's and i seem to have mo problems ....
even in the worst conditions
even in the worst conditions
15-Aug-2002, 05:48 PM
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Actually that's the least of your problems....
The problem lies in the design of the coilover sleeves...
Take its spring for example....it is too short..much shorter than those of lowering springs....the reason for this is to allow more drop....and because it is such a shorter spring...they had to increase its spring rates....increased spring rates are good only when calculated properly, but since these are generic spring applications for these coilover sleeves, they were not calculated for performance, but rather to support a generic load...
and the problem arises when you drop too much with these coilover sleeves....because of the shorter springs, the shock piston travel becomes minimal...and when you slam the car to the ground, tucking in the tires into the wheel wells, the shock piston travel becomes so minimal, most of the time you are riding on bumper stops...when this occurs the shocks are not doing its job because there is no more travel to absorb....this results in bumpy rides and suspension damage....and with the higher springs rates, when there is a bump in the road to compress the springs, what is natural physics, is to rebound with a large force making the car bounce uncontrollably...that's why people complain about bounciness and bumpy ride...i could go on and on..but i think i'll let it stop here....hahahahah....
The problem lies in the design of the coilover sleeves...
Take its spring for example....it is too short..much shorter than those of lowering springs....the reason for this is to allow more drop....and because it is such a shorter spring...they had to increase its spring rates....increased spring rates are good only when calculated properly, but since these are generic spring applications for these coilover sleeves, they were not calculated for performance, but rather to support a generic load...
and the problem arises when you drop too much with these coilover sleeves....because of the shorter springs, the shock piston travel becomes minimal...and when you slam the car to the ground, tucking in the tires into the wheel wells, the shock piston travel becomes so minimal, most of the time you are riding on bumper stops...when this occurs the shocks are not doing its job because there is no more travel to absorb....this results in bumpy rides and suspension damage....and with the higher springs rates, when there is a bump in the road to compress the springs, what is natural physics, is to rebound with a large force making the car bounce uncontrollably...that's why people complain about bounciness and bumpy ride...i could go on and on..but i think i'll let it stop here....hahahahah....
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