anybody running water/alky injection?
16-Dec-2006, 01:15 PM
#21
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everybody has their own opinion.. mine is that it's a waste of money unless you are running high amounts of boost.
It's definately not cheap, but if you want to go spend a pretty penny for better protection against detonation, be my guest. I was looking into it for a jrsc set-up instead of getting an aftercooler and it's big bucks..
It's definately not cheap, but if you want to go spend a pretty penny for better protection against detonation, be my guest. I was looking into it for a jrsc set-up instead of getting an aftercooler and it's big bucks..
16-Dec-2006, 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by dingus888
how is race gas not a viable solution...if you want to run big boost you pretty much have to run race gas douche
runnign meth injection all the time is a better one...?
if you street drive your car alot then 2 maps is pretty much the best idea. Throw race gas in a turn up boost at track..seems like the best idea so fare, with water injection it's just another thing to tune/go wrong keep it simple
how is race gas not a viable solution...if you want to run big boost you pretty much have to run race gas douche
runnign meth injection all the time is a better one...?
if you street drive your car alot then 2 maps is pretty much the best idea. Throw race gas in a turn up boost at track..seems like the best idea so fare, with water injection it's just another thing to tune/go wrong keep it simple
Let me run through it again. Race gas is very expensive and hard to find. You can't just fill'er up at your local Sunoco. Water/Methanol injection supplements the gasoline mixture. It also does this only while IN boost so you're not burning it all the time. This means your can run cheap pump gas w/ high boost and when you want the power there is no waiting, no draining tanks, no flipping switches. Plus, I can walk into Wal-Mart, Crappy Tire or even Loblaws and get a water/methanol mixture. Hint: its called windshield wiper fluid!
This is what this thread is about. Auxiliary Injection. You clearly missed the point. If your car is a dedicated track car, then race gas makes sense but otherwise I think its stupid.
16-Dec-2006, 09:16 PM
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how much power is this dude gonna want to make what turbo is he gonna be using
so he has a d series hopefully runs a 57 trim variant nice pump gas turbo runs 20-25 psi makes what 400-450 hp ish depending I mean how much power do you want on the street you can't put it down anyway
I mean if he get's a bigger turbo it probobly wont' be pump gas friendly anyway and wont' start to wake up till after 25-35 psi ie gt35r or bigger and will need race gas anyway so what is the point of alcohol injection in this case cause it will be pretty much a track ca anyway. You buy race gas like torco etc and have it at your house or if you want to be ghetto jsut throw toulene into you gas tank ie paint thinner I like to keep things simple
so he has a d series hopefully runs a 57 trim variant nice pump gas turbo runs 20-25 psi makes what 400-450 hp ish depending I mean how much power do you want on the street you can't put it down anyway
I mean if he get's a bigger turbo it probobly wont' be pump gas friendly anyway and wont' start to wake up till after 25-35 psi ie gt35r or bigger and will need race gas anyway so what is the point of alcohol injection in this case cause it will be pretty much a track ca anyway. You buy race gas like torco etc and have it at your house or if you want to be ghetto jsut throw toulene into you gas tank ie paint thinner I like to keep things simple
16-Dec-2006, 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by dingus888
how much power is this dude gonna want to make what turbo is he gonna be using
so he has a d series hopefully runs a 57 trim variant nice pump gas turbo runs 20-25 psi makes what 400-450 hp ish depending I mean how much power do you want on the street you can't put it down anyway
I mean if he get's a bigger turbo it probobly wont' be pump gas friendly anyway and wont' start to wake up till after 25-35 psi ie gt35r or bigger and will need race gas anyway so what is the point of alcohol injection in this case cause it will be pretty much a track ca anyway. You buy race gas like torco etc and have it at your house or if you want to be ghetto jsut throw toulene into you gas tank ie paint thinner I like to keep things simple
how much power is this dude gonna want to make what turbo is he gonna be using
so he has a d series hopefully runs a 57 trim variant nice pump gas turbo runs 20-25 psi makes what 400-450 hp ish depending I mean how much power do you want on the street you can't put it down anyway
I mean if he get's a bigger turbo it probobly wont' be pump gas friendly anyway and wont' start to wake up till after 25-35 psi ie gt35r or bigger and will need race gas anyway so what is the point of alcohol injection in this case cause it will be pretty much a track ca anyway. You buy race gas like torco etc and have it at your house or if you want to be ghetto jsut throw toulene into you gas tank ie paint thinner I like to keep things simple
Secondly your little paragraph shows you understand absolutely nothing about turbochargers or Hondas in general. 57 trim? Which damn turbo? A/R is variable depends on the size of the turbine. Secondly no D series is making 400-450 whp at 25 psi. D Series engines are more inefficent that a B Series. Thirdly a GT35 is a laggy oversized turbo for the D.
And it just goes on and on. You even negated your own argument for race gas by using paint thinner (WTF?). Dude save your BS for somewhere else.
17-Dec-2006, 02:46 AM
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Originally posted by SilverSleeper
Please do all a favor and learn some peoper punctuation. That was hard to read.
Secondly your little paragraph shows you understand absolutely nothing about turbochargers or Hondas in general. 57 trim? Which damn turbo? A/R is variable depends on the size of the turbine. Secondly no D series is making 400-450 whp at 25 psi. D Series engines are more inefficent that a B Series. Thirdly a GT35 is a laggy oversized turbo for the D.
And it just goes on and on. You even negated your own argument for race gas by using paint thinner (WTF?). Dude save your BS for somewhere else.
Please do all a favor and learn some peoper punctuation. That was hard to read.
Secondly your little paragraph shows you understand absolutely nothing about turbochargers or Hondas in general. 57 trim? Which damn turbo? A/R is variable depends on the size of the turbine. Secondly no D series is making 400-450 whp at 25 psi. D Series engines are more inefficent that a B Series. Thirdly a GT35 is a laggy oversized turbo for the D.
And it just goes on and on. You even negated your own argument for race gas by using paint thinner (WTF?). Dude save your BS for somewhere else.
17-Dec-2006, 05:05 PM
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first off toulene (sp) is an octane booster often used by dsm/turbo car groups to bump up the octane reduce knock etc it has been done for years as a ghetto fix how about you look it up before you start to bash people. Second I stated that if he wants to make big power he will need a non pump gas friendly turbo such as a gt35r in which cause he will need race gas and 30 + psi to get the most outta it, not to mention I said 57 trim variant cause there are infact variants. I find nothign wrong with what I originally stated. I can spell and puncuate fine I just type fast and don't care how "easy" it is for you to read 
17-Dec-2006, 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by dingus888
first off toulene (sp) is an octane booster often used by dsm/turbo car groups to bump up the octane reduce knock etc it has been done for years as a ghetto fix how about you look it up before you start to bash people. Second I stated that if he wants to make big power he will need a non pump gas friendly turbo such as a gt35r in which cause he will need race gas and 30 + psi to get the most outta it, not to mention I said 57 trim variant cause there are infact variants. I find nothign wrong with what I originally stated. I can spell and puncuate fine I just type fast and don't care how "easy" it is for you to read
first off toulene (sp) is an octane booster often used by dsm/turbo car groups to bump up the octane reduce knock etc it has been done for years as a ghetto fix how about you look it up before you start to bash people. Second I stated that if he wants to make big power he will need a non pump gas friendly turbo such as a gt35r in which cause he will need race gas and 30 + psi to get the most outta it, not to mention I said 57 trim variant cause there are infact variants. I find nothign wrong with what I originally stated. I can spell and puncuate fine I just type fast and don't care how "easy" it is for you to read
punctuate, nothing
You sure do, know how to spell.
17-Dec-2006, 08:08 PM
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i agree with dingus.
With the power levels he'll be at its not necessary (a good thing to have sure, but not necessary) with good tuning and the right parts he'll be laughing, i like to keep things simple as well.
Running out of alchy/meth on a hard pull would suck nutz.
Although, i have a friend with a high psi b-series that i'm trying to convince to run meth injection, i'd love to see for myself the benefits, and how much it drops the IATs and how much more timing it actually allows you to run at given boost levels, but i don't have a boosted car....lol.
With the power levels he'll be at its not necessary (a good thing to have sure, but not necessary) with good tuning and the right parts he'll be laughing, i like to keep things simple as well.
Running out of alchy/meth on a hard pull would suck nutz.
Although, i have a friend with a high psi b-series that i'm trying to convince to run meth injection, i'd love to see for myself the benefits, and how much it drops the IATs and how much more timing it actually allows you to run at given boost levels, but i don't have a boosted car....lol.
17-Dec-2006, 08:46 PM
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Well - most good Meth kits have a bottle low warning indicator -- so that would say you there.
Zeeman - I'll do a complete write-up when I do it. (Changes to IAT, amount of increased timing, knock comparisons, output, straight water, 50/50, etc.) It will be on a SR20DET but I think the info will still be good.
Zeeman - I'll do a complete write-up when I do it. (Changes to IAT, amount of increased timing, knock comparisons, output, straight water, 50/50, etc.) It will be on a SR20DET but I think the info will still be good.
17-Dec-2006, 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by HAPPY
Zeeman - I'll do a complete write-up when I do it. (Changes to IAT, amount of increased timing, knock comparisons, output, straight water, 50/50, etc.) It will be on a SR20DET but I think the info will still be good.
Zeeman - I'll do a complete write-up when I do it. (Changes to IAT, amount of increased timing, knock comparisons, output, straight water, 50/50, etc.) It will be on a SR20DET but I think the info will still be good.
sweet! I was actually looking into it for a s/c setup, instead of getting an aftercooler..
18-Dec-2006, 03:53 PM
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I could see meth being very nice on a s/c setup like the jrsc but the fact that you have to top it up, and if you are lapping how long coudl you stay out before you ran out?
I mean people have gone what 9's 10's without it, I guess people with a smaller turbo that want to stretch every little bit outta it instead of upgrading for something bigger that has cooler charge temps.
I mean people have gone what 9's 10's without it, I guess people with a smaller turbo that want to stretch every little bit outta it instead of upgrading for something bigger that has cooler charge temps.
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