About the ZC engine, need info.
25-Dec-2002, 10:47 PM
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About the ZC engine, need info.
I read the article that someone has posted. I know that the integra engine has alot of power (140). But it sucks thou, I have raced integras, old and never, b/c I have friends that drove both. I know that their cars are not that much heavier, but they are slow.
Has anyone have good experiences that can proof me wrong, if so, please tell your story. I never heard of the 3 stage vtec, maybe I am wrong, please correct. But I read that it is really fast.
I also understand from horsepower TV, that stated that SOHC are good for drag and DOHC are good for track. DOHC works best in high rpm, therefore, minimum low end torque. Plus, torque converter gives better launching and are more consistant then manual in drag racing.
Think of doing a swap in the future on a EG6.
Has anyone have good experiences that can proof me wrong, if so, please tell your story. I never heard of the 3 stage vtec, maybe I am wrong, please correct. But I read that it is really fast.
I also understand from horsepower TV, that stated that SOHC are good for drag and DOHC are good for track. DOHC works best in high rpm, therefore, minimum low end torque. Plus, torque converter gives better launching and are more consistant then manual in drag racing.
Think of doing a swap in the future on a EG6.
27-Dec-2002, 09:43 AM
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I said at the end, I'm thinking of doing this to an EG6. What's there not to get "DUDE." I am just stating the intent setup "DUDE" -READ-UNDERSTAND-THEN POST-
About the 5 speed and 4 speed auto setup - The drag torque converter, which idles at 2,500 rpm is better for launching. I have done alot of racing - with and compete with all types of cars; manual and auto. Having a 5 speed is best for circuit, b/c you can choose your gear. The 4 speed(auto) is for fast launching (2,500rmp idle) and consistant runs in the 1/4 miles. I have driven both manual and auto. Don't beleive? Lets race, only way to settle scores, don't talk about things with no facts.
"DUDE" none of the replies have nothing to do with the intial post. Which asked that - Have anyone ran a ZC motor in their CIVIC? And did it make a big difference?
Lately - I am really pissed with this forum. You guys just want to argue, not on content but on BS. By asking me what the post was about is stupid "DUDE." If you DON'T HAVE THE FACTS, THEN LEAVE IT TO SOMEONE THAT HAS SOME! Don't feed your post reply meter.
About the 5 speed and 4 speed auto setup - The drag torque converter, which idles at 2,500 rpm is better for launching. I have done alot of racing - with and compete with all types of cars; manual and auto. Having a 5 speed is best for circuit, b/c you can choose your gear. The 4 speed(auto) is for fast launching (2,500rmp idle) and consistant runs in the 1/4 miles. I have driven both manual and auto. Don't beleive? Lets race, only way to settle scores, don't talk about things with no facts.
"DUDE" none of the replies have nothing to do with the intial post. Which asked that - Have anyone ran a ZC motor in their CIVIC? And did it make a big difference?
Lately - I am really pissed with this forum. You guys just want to argue, not on content but on BS. By asking me what the post was about is stupid "DUDE." If you DON'T HAVE THE FACTS, THEN LEAVE IT TO SOMEONE THAT HAS SOME! Don't feed your post reply meter.
27-Dec-2002, 09:57 AM
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I think the reason that they were asking is b/c they want to help but are a little confused w/ your first post. No reason to get all worked up over it.
As to the ZC swap Dented dx has a ZC in his 4th gen. PM him w/ any questions you might have, I'm sure he'll be able to help you.
As to the ZC swap Dented dx has a ZC in his 4th gen. PM him w/ any questions you might have, I'm sure he'll be able to help you.
27-Dec-2002, 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by EK7_DriftMania
I said at the end, I'm thinking of doing this to an EG6. What's there not to get "DUDE." I am just stating the intent setup "DUDE" -READ-UNDERSTAND-THEN POST-
About the 5 speed and 4 speed auto setup - The drag torque converter, which idles at 2,500 rpm is better for launching. I have done alot of racing - with and compete with all types of cars; manual and auto. Having a 5 speed is best for circuit, b/c you can choose your gear. The 4 speed(auto) is for fast launching (2,500rmp idle) and consistant runs in the 1/4 miles. I have driven both manual and auto. Don't beleive? Lets race, only way to settle scores, don't talk about things with no facts.
"DUDE" none of the replies have nothing to do with the intial post. Which asked that - Have anyone ran a ZC motor in their CIVIC? And did it make a big difference?
Lately - I am really pissed with this forum. You guys just want to argue, not on content but on BS. By asking me what the post was about is stupid "DUDE." If you DON'T HAVE THE FACTS, THEN LEAVE IT TO SOMEONE THAT HAS SOME! Don't feed your post reply meter.
I said at the end, I'm thinking of doing this to an EG6. What's there not to get "DUDE." I am just stating the intent setup "DUDE" -READ-UNDERSTAND-THEN POST-
About the 5 speed and 4 speed auto setup - The drag torque converter, which idles at 2,500 rpm is better for launching. I have done alot of racing - with and compete with all types of cars; manual and auto. Having a 5 speed is best for circuit, b/c you can choose your gear. The 4 speed(auto) is for fast launching (2,500rmp idle) and consistant runs in the 1/4 miles. I have driven both manual and auto. Don't beleive? Lets race, only way to settle scores, don't talk about things with no facts.
"DUDE" none of the replies have nothing to do with the intial post. Which asked that - Have anyone ran a ZC motor in their CIVIC? And did it make a big difference?
Lately - I am really pissed with this forum. You guys just want to argue, not on content but on BS. By asking me what the post was about is stupid "DUDE." If you DON'T HAVE THE FACTS, THEN LEAVE IT TO SOMEONE THAT HAS SOME! Don't feed your post reply meter.
as for your swap.... talk to HappyB16 about the benifits of swapping a zc into a 5th gen....
you might want to save up and put a b16/b18 in
27-Dec-2002, 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by EK7_DriftMania
Lately - I am really pissed with this forum. You guys just want to argue, not on content but on BS.
Lately - I am really pissed with this forum. You guys just want to argue, not on content but on BS.
next time be more clear and they won't have to ask questions
ps: auto sucks
the amount of money you spend on a torque converter compared to what you gain isn't worth itbut if you must look at doing something like that, check level 10 products, they do a whole line for the automatic setup
27-Dec-2002, 05:46 PM
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cosmic: Yeah your right, Sorry for the **** I wrote, got caught up in the moment.
But ZC is cheaper on gas and is not that bad to start off with. I am not sure about what I have read, but I read that ZC also comes in Vtec also right? If so, then I would think it is worth it. Cause you know, Vtec's got alot of stuff to play with.
Thanks again for keeping your cool with me ^0^ and I will try to be more clear.
But ZC is cheaper on gas and is not that bad to start off with. I am not sure about what I have read, but I read that ZC also comes in Vtec also right? If so, then I would think it is worth it. Cause you know, Vtec's got alot of stuff to play with.
Thanks again for keeping your cool with me ^0^ and I will try to be more clear.
27-Dec-2002, 07:09 PM
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The title suggests you are asking about info on the ZC motor, yet the post body doesn't have anythign related it to it.. you wanna get answers? Ask clear questions, in a somewhat organized fashion, and you'll get answers. Nobody is going to waste their time deciphering your posts..
as for your last question, I've heard there is a SOHC VTEC version of the ZC made by Honda, but have yet to see proof.. i'll believe it when someone shows me a JDM Honda broshure of the car it came from...with some modifications you can build a mini-me with a ZC block and a JDM D15B (SOHC 3stage-VTEC) head .. power would be comparable to a D15B7 block with a Z6 head, yet another mini-me setup
the 3stage VTEC combines VTEC-E with the regular SOHC VTEC, resulting in decent power while maintaining great fuel economy. However the ecu for it is almost impossible to find, and the engine won't run properly if you run any of the other SOHC VTEC ecu's, or a SOHC ecu with a VTEC actuator... so unless you have the right ecu don't bother getting it.
as for your last question, I've heard there is a SOHC VTEC version of the ZC made by Honda, but have yet to see proof.. i'll believe it when someone shows me a JDM Honda broshure of the car it came from...with some modifications you can build a mini-me with a ZC block and a JDM D15B (SOHC 3stage-VTEC) head .. power would be comparable to a D15B7 block with a Z6 head, yet another mini-me setup
the 3stage VTEC combines VTEC-E with the regular SOHC VTEC, resulting in decent power while maintaining great fuel economy. However the ecu for it is almost impossible to find, and the engine won't run properly if you run any of the other SOHC VTEC ecu's, or a SOHC ecu with a VTEC actuator... so unless you have the right ecu don't bother getting it.
27-Dec-2002, 07:46 PM
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You're right, the title did ask for info on the ZC motor and good experiences. But the rest was about the setup I am going for, there is nothing to interpret. That is why it is written in Paragraphs, I don't have to result to a gramar leason now do I. I see that you don't have time (12.54 per day) to answer me, so thank you for your time.
27-Dec-2002, 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Jugglez
the 3stage VTEC combines VTEC-E with the regular SOHC VTEC, resulting in decent power while maintaining great fuel economy. However the ecu for it is almost impossible to find, and the engine won't run properly if you run any of the other SOHC VTEC ecu's, or a SOHC ecu with a VTEC actuator... so unless you have the right ecu don't bother getting it.
the 3stage VTEC combines VTEC-E with the regular SOHC VTEC, resulting in decent power while maintaining great fuel economy. However the ecu for it is almost impossible to find, and the engine won't run properly if you run any of the other SOHC VTEC ecu's, or a SOHC ecu with a VTEC actuator... so unless you have the right ecu don't bother getting it.
tranny is also another problem as it there is some conjuction with the second VTEC solenoid
Yes, its powerful for a 1.5L SOHC engine
some backround on it:
http://asia.vtec.net/article/d15b/
28-Dec-2002, 12:24 AM
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I also put a DOHC ZC in my 4th gen. The only thing that Ken couldn't source was a standard ZC ECU. (had to go with an auto ZC ECU...but staying with the ZC ECU, I still have the higher rev limiter) Other than that he got all the other ZC components.
Am I missing something here.....I thought the ZC only came as an OBD0...possibly also as an ODB1.....
Isn't an EK OBD2? I have heard this isn't good to start swaping engines in that aren't the same ODB...wiring nightmares etc.
Could someone shed some light on this?
Am I missing something here.....I thought the ZC only came as an OBD0...possibly also as an ODB1.....
Isn't an EK OBD2? I have heard this isn't good to start swaping engines in that aren't the same ODB...wiring nightmares etc.
Could someone shed some light on this?
28-Dec-2002, 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by Jugglez
as for your last question, I've heard there is a SOHC VTEC version of the ZC made by Honda, but have yet to see proof.. i'll believe it
as for your last question, I've heard there is a SOHC VTEC version of the ZC made by Honda, but have yet to see proof.. i'll believe it
28-Dec-2002, 12:51 AM
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The last two post was good.
I have also done some reseach, besides ECU and wirings, the swap is amazing for the price. One guy claims that he can whoop a GSR ***. That sounds good to me. http://www.geocities.com/civiczc/zcinfo.html
You guys be the judge. This is a real possibility for me, b/c I am planning on getting a EG6 with no engine, paint looks a little rough, but presentable, other than that, great buy. Properly spend $2000 in total. Now I know that the engine can pull away from GSR, is there any negative aspect to the engine, besides ECU and Wires. Is it reliable? Considering that it is a very old engine. Can the new integra work with my setup?
I have also done some reseach, besides ECU and wirings, the swap is amazing for the price. One guy claims that he can whoop a GSR ***. That sounds good to me. http://www.geocities.com/civiczc/zcinfo.html
You guys be the judge. This is a real possibility for me, b/c I am planning on getting a EG6 with no engine, paint looks a little rough, but presentable, other than that, great buy. Properly spend $2000 in total. Now I know that the engine can pull away from GSR, is there any negative aspect to the engine, besides ECU and Wires. Is it reliable? Considering that it is a very old engine. Can the new integra work with my setup?
28-Dec-2002, 02:04 AM
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Well boys, curiosity got the best of me... working off a tip from a search i did on google and a few quick calls to Japan (i'm not joking), our mystery has been solved.
Verdict: SOHC VTEC ZC does exist, however it is an extremely rare motor... i mean REALLY RARE.
Some info: came in '92-'95 Honda Domani's (1st generation Acura EL so to speak).. which was sold in limited markets in Asia, Europe and the Middle East.. This Domani came with 4 possible engines.. SOHC ZC, SOHC ZC with 4WD, SOHC VTEC ZC, and, get this ---> B18B (another rare motor, but i'll leave that for another thread). The Domani was later released as Isuzu Gemini in '93, but only came with SOHC ZC, and SOHC ZC with 4WD.
Also according to one source, the SOHC VTEC ZC was also stock on the JDM EJ3 (6th gen JDM Civic coupe).. another rare find... i wasn't able to find anything further on this though so don't quote me on this one.
As for Alan's motor being one of these rare creatures... we'll just have to hold him down while someone dissects it at a meet.
[pics of the JDM '92-'95 Domani below]
Verdict: SOHC VTEC ZC does exist, however it is an extremely rare motor... i mean REALLY RARE.
Some info: came in '92-'95 Honda Domani's (1st generation Acura EL so to speak).. which was sold in limited markets in Asia, Europe and the Middle East.. This Domani came with 4 possible engines.. SOHC ZC, SOHC ZC with 4WD, SOHC VTEC ZC, and, get this ---> B18B
(another rare motor, but i'll leave that for another thread). The Domani was later released as Isuzu Gemini in '93, but only came with SOHC ZC, and SOHC ZC with 4WD.Also according to one source, the SOHC VTEC ZC was also stock on the JDM EJ3 (6th gen JDM Civic coupe).. another rare find... i wasn't able to find anything further on this though so don't quote me on this one.
As for Alan's motor being one of these rare creatures... we'll just have to hold him down while someone dissects it at a meet.
[pics of the JDM '92-'95 Domani below]
