5th gen and 4th gen suspension capatabilies?
08-Dec-2004, 03:25 AM
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5th gen and 4th gen suspension capatabilies?
i'm just wondering what all could be used from a 5th gen onto a 4th gen, for instance if i had a complete 5th gen suspension would it all fit up or not so much?
also since its not oem, would a rear sway bar be interchangeable there as well? would the holes be drilled in the subframe to bolt the mounting bracets?
on the 4th gen models, is there any different between hatch and sedan with the suspension?
and lastly, if the car in question was an 88, would itr suspension pieces bolt on, or would various sizes be off there?
also since its not oem, would a rear sway bar be interchangeable there as well? would the holes be drilled in the subframe to bolt the mounting bracets?
on the 4th gen models, is there any different between hatch and sedan with the suspension?
and lastly, if the car in question was an 88, would itr suspension pieces bolt on, or would various sizes be off there?
08-Dec-2004, 08:27 AM
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I don't think the rear sway bar would be moveable ....
reasoning....
I looked at my 5th gen. it would attach on the subframe
I looked at my 4th gen its attached to 2 posts that hang down fromt he car body. basically stays away from the sub frame.
NOTE: this is just an observation of a crazy man.
also I don't think the rear lower control arms are swapable
reasoning....
I looked at my 5th gen. it would attach on the subframe
I looked at my 4th gen its attached to 2 posts that hang down fromt he car body. basically stays away from the sub frame.
NOTE: this is just an observation of a crazy man.
also I don't think the rear lower control arms are swapable
08-Dec-2004, 10:20 AM
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the rear lower control arms ARE swappable on a 89-91 to a 92-95. EKs are diff't though. I know cuz JSK has EF LCAs on his car. Same with trailing arms.
In the front, you have to swap the knuckles to EX knuckles, and that gains you all all sorta brake possibilities... but the steering knuckle is 1-2 inches shorter than the integra or newer Civic knuckles. front shocks I'm not too sure about... I think the diameter is way different.
In the front, you have to swap the knuckles to EX knuckles, and that gains you all all sorta brake possibilities... but the steering knuckle is 1-2 inches shorter than the integra or newer Civic knuckles. front shocks I'm not too sure about... I think the diameter is way different.
08-Dec-2004, 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
In the front, you have to swap the knuckles to EX knuckles, and that gains you all all sorta brake possibilities... but the steering knuckle is 1-2 inches shorter than the integra or newer Civic knuckles. front shocks I'm not too sure about... I think the diameter is way different.
In the front, you have to swap the knuckles to EX knuckles, and that gains you all all sorta brake possibilities... but the steering knuckle is 1-2 inches shorter than the integra or newer Civic knuckles. front shocks I'm not too sure about... I think the diameter is way different.
EX knuckles?
would there be any benefit from having an 88 with the itr style rear suspension?
as for the shocks i do believe the fronts will fit but the rear center lca bushing is a little narrower but thats not a problem cause either of my rear lca sets would fit
no dice on the sway bar though? i know beaks does not have any 4th gen products (last time i checked there site anyways) are there any companies that would sell something of that nature?
08-Dec-2004, 10:38 AM
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witht he rear lower control arms they are shaped different. maybe you also have to swap trailing arms to get everything to line up. I had rear lower control arms for a 89 and they didn't quite line up right with a 5th gen trailing arm.
08-Dec-2004, 11:04 AM
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yes most of those suspension components are interchangable between 4th gen, 5th gen and integra.
There will be alignment issues in certain applications, eg with an Integra supsension on a 4th gen, different tie rods will need to be fabricated.
6th gen rear suspension is not compatible, athough you can use the rear knuckles from a 6th gen.
There will be alignment issues in certain applications, eg with an Integra supsension on a 4th gen, different tie rods will need to be fabricated.
6th gen rear suspension is not compatible, athough you can use the rear knuckles from a 6th gen.
08-Dec-2004, 05:48 PM
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I probably got a little ahead of myself, but since you asked B,
With a beefed up brake set up, I spectulate that hard driving will occur. So definatley the other suspension components need to be changed.
Ride quality is already compromised with those tired 14 year old bushings. Beefing up the brake set up with just throws those outa whack even more. Doing the suspension, A arms, LCAs the combination of parts, all together at once makes sense.
You don't want a 5 year old knucke on a 14 year old LCA. Suspension components work together, when you get that much of a gap between the age of the components, it just will not work right. Any play will occur in the older parts first, and prematurely cause the newer parts to wear out as well.
With a beefed up brake set up, I spectulate that hard driving will occur. So definatley the other suspension components need to be changed.
Ride quality is already compromised with those tired 14 year old bushings. Beefing up the brake set up with just throws those outa whack even more. Doing the suspension, A arms, LCAs the combination of parts, all together at once makes sense.
You don't want a 5 year old knucke on a 14 year old LCA. Suspension components work together, when you get that much of a gap between the age of the components, it just will not work right. Any play will occur in the older parts first, and prematurely cause the newer parts to wear out as well.
09-Dec-2004, 01:08 AM
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bushings aren't an issue... if they are that bad i can just enter another fun weekend changing them all again...
while the 88 suspension is the same style as the itr they aren't the same throughout... in the front anyways
while the 88 suspension is the same style as the itr they aren't the same throughout... in the front anyways
09-Dec-2004, 09:13 AM
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I see your point JSK... I just asked that cuz the Integra knuckle will throw your alignment off pretty badly, it's too tall, and will make the upper a-arm point upwards, giving you some funny driveability issues, like the wheel won't self-center, and it'll track the road hardcore (caster problems).
09-Dec-2004, 02:14 PM
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wait, so you want a 4th gen sedan with illuminas and a rear sway?
well, the ST rear sway is a nice peice that many 4th genners use. and illuminas, if it's an 88, then you'll have to swap the rear susp out for something newer like an EG susp, and the front, I really don't know. I was wondering the same actually, cuz I got stock EK shocks that are in great shape that I wanna use on my winter beater. I'll see about it in the spring...
oh, and from a ricer standpoint, ED3s look hella good hella low!!!
if I get nutty, I'm gonna get some Omnipower coilovers and dump my winter beater. but I doubt I'll get THAT nutty. 
well, the ST rear sway is a nice peice that many 4th genners use. and illuminas, if it's an 88, then you'll have to swap the rear susp out for something newer like an EG susp, and the front, I really don't know. I was wondering the same actually, cuz I got stock EK shocks that are in great shape that I wanna use on my winter beater. I'll see about it in the spring...
oh, and from a ricer standpoint, ED3s look hella good hella low!!!
if I get nutty, I'm gonna get some Omnipower coilovers and dump my winter beater. but I doubt I'll get THAT nutty.
