258 whp stock d16z6
02-Nov-2005, 02:47 PM
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I never knew tuning a vtec motor would be harder? Care to explain Blair?
02-Nov-2005, 05:21 PM
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there is vtec overlap in tuning that needs to be tuned out but its not that hard and anyone who knows how to tune can easily tune a vtec motor. I give the guys props for even trying a stock boosted d-series with that much boost. I have pretty much done the same thing but in a b16, stock inernals and alot of bolt-ons and alot of tuning. made 300whp and 213wtq on 12.4psi. i have had zero problems with this and don't expect any, and this car IS my daily driver and gets beaten on, on a regular basis.
02-Nov-2005, 06:10 PM
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theres another one like this on teamrice.org
02-Nov-2005, 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by Mr. Death
How so???
How so???
Its not harder to tune vtec engines. But like b16turbohatch said there is some overlap that needs to be tuned out.
02-Nov-2005, 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by chris_si98
Blair, I'm well aware that it's possible.
What I was talking about was say I purchased a b16a2 for around 2200$ full swap. I would be at 160hp to the crank. And with that 2200 i could have my build D put in and tuned.
With the build head/block that I'm buying I don't need to change all the things that add up such as the driveshafts/axles etc. Hell, I don't even need to change my y8 tranny.
I have a spending limit of 2000$ on my engine. Well atleast for this year. So b-series is out of the question..
I was going to start building an ls/vtec but unfortunately my d16 isn't going to last much longer so I need a swap quickly.
Blair, I'm well aware that it's possible.
What I was talking about was say I purchased a b16a2 for around 2200$ full swap. I would be at 160hp to the crank. And with that 2200 i could have my build D put in and tuned.
With the build head/block that I'm buying I don't need to change all the things that add up such as the driveshafts/axles etc. Hell, I don't even need to change my y8 tranny.
I have a spending limit of 2000$ on my engine. Well atleast for this year. So b-series is out of the question..
I was going to start building an ls/vtec but unfortunately my d16 isn't going to last much longer so I need a swap quickly.
i wouldnt want to run that much boost through a stock dseries and have it as a daily driver...cant be too reliable.
02-Nov-2005, 11:25 PM
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Despite what most people say d's can handle 10 lbs boost on a stock bottom end and be reliable, I have a stock d16z6 and have been running 8 lbs boost daily all season long without any sign of detonating or ultra high egt's thanks to a great tune by Neetronics. I made 213whp @ 9 lbs but have it set @8lbs and make 205whp. I have a friend who runs 12 lbs with an FMU for tuning and hasn't had a prob in two seasons. Give credit where it's due, the d series is a pretty tuff little motor.
02-Nov-2005, 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by ontariorider
where is a full b16a2 swap for 2200? i havnt found one for under 3000...that cant be with lsd and hydro tranny eh? just curious cause im looking into the swap for the spring.
i wouldnt want to run that much boost through a stock dseries and have it as a daily driver...cant be too reliable.
where is a full b16a2 swap for 2200? i havnt found one for under 3000...that cant be with lsd and hydro tranny eh? just curious cause im looking into the swap for the spring.
i wouldnt want to run that much boost through a stock dseries and have it as a daily driver...cant be too reliable.
they have good quality JDM b16a2's for well under $3000. And, yes that's which hydro LSD, i believe.
03-Nov-2005, 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by Thrill_House
theres a buddy of mine with a built boosted twin cam ZC running like 20 lbs of boost on his motor and he daily drives it!
theres a buddy of mine with a built boosted twin cam ZC running like 20 lbs of boost on his motor and he daily drives it!
*cough cough* 28 pounds....
yea, 28 psi, daily on a dohc zc, no problems, and fast as hell, the car is litterally a thrill ride on 4 wheels! wish joe would take me for another boot hehe
and i give this guy props for his set-up as well, i feel like building my single cam now lol
04-Nov-2005, 12:50 AM
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Thanks for the comments. There are a couple reasons why I run a D-series engine in the car. I only wanted around 200 WHP. I figured a Turbo D would be cheap and up to the task. When the car was tuned it made 225WHP off the wastegate spring. We turned it to 10 PSI, made 258 WHP and left it at that. The engine has a little under 100k miles and it has been running this setup for 7000 miles + 90 drag strip passes. It has exceeded my expectations in durabily and performance. We now have the car running at 16 PSI making 307 WHP. So far so good. We will see what the limits are. The B series engines are superior in design and performance but its fun sometimes to see what the underdog can do.
04-Nov-2005, 12:55 AM
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I'd rather a built D series engine then B....
04-Nov-2005, 12:57 AM
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ummm... thats not tuning, thats stupidity. 10psi on stock internals, ya, have fun with that. cant wait till it blows.
*just read that its now at 16 psi HAHAHAHAHA
*just read that its now at 16 psi HAHAHAHAHA
04-Nov-2005, 03:29 AM
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Originally posted by SteveZ
ummm... thats not tuning, thats stupidity. 10psi on stock internals, ya, have fun with that. cant wait till it blows.
*just read that its now at 16 psi HAHAHAHAHA
ummm... thats not tuning, thats stupidity. 10psi on stock internals, ya, have fun with that. cant wait till it blows.
*just read that its now at 16 psi HAHAHAHAHA
04-Nov-2005, 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by EpicTuning
Thanks for the comments. There are a couple reasons why I run a D-series engine in the car. I only wanted around 200 WHP. I figured a Turbo D would be cheap and up to the task. When the car was tuned it made 225WHP off the wastegate spring. We turned it to 10 PSI, made 258 WHP and left it at that. The engine has a little under 100k miles and it has been running this setup for 7000 miles + 90 drag strip passes. It has exceeded my expectations in durabily and performance. We now have the car running at 16 PSI making 307 WHP. So far so good. We will see what the limits are. The B series engines are superior in design and performance but its fun sometimes to see what the underdog can do.
Thanks for the comments. There are a couple reasons why I run a D-series engine in the car. I only wanted around 200 WHP. I figured a Turbo D would be cheap and up to the task. When the car was tuned it made 225WHP off the wastegate spring. We turned it to 10 PSI, made 258 WHP and left it at that. The engine has a little under 100k miles and it has been running this setup for 7000 miles + 90 drag strip passes. It has exceeded my expectations in durabily and performance. We now have the car running at 16 PSI making 307 WHP. So far so good. We will see what the limits are. The B series engines are superior in design and performance but its fun sometimes to see what the underdog can do.
04-Nov-2005, 11:18 AM
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The torque number is at the wheels. I've noticed that it says "flywheel" on the print outs too. The car at 10 PSI has been running low 12's all season with a best of 12.15 @112 MPH. Now at 16 PSI traction is becoming an issue and the best run has been 12.04 @ 117 MPH.
04-Nov-2005, 04:45 PM
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blah you guys can talk all day D vs B..
to each his own really!
sure u do a swap, add a turbo kit.... lets say 5000 grand right there for the 2, and thats without having a built motor!
you pay to play!
id love to do a D turbo.... but hey whatever!
depends how deep your wallet is... anyone can do anything... just read up on Kenny! doode speent lots of money and lot of trials and errors but he's got it now!
to each his own really!
sure u do a swap, add a turbo kit.... lets say 5000 grand right there for the 2, and thats without having a built motor!
you pay to play!
id love to do a D turbo.... but hey whatever!
depends how deep your wallet is... anyone can do anything... just read up on Kenny! doode speent lots of money and lot of trials and errors but he's got it now!
04-Nov-2005, 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Thrill_House
IMO swapping in a DOHC VTEC B series motor is a waste of money if your are just gonna boost it anyway, a Non VTEC B18 is dirt cheap and can make 300hp on stock internals and if you blow it who cares, go get another one for cheap! Plus to tune a VTEC Turbo engine is alot more work then a non VTEC motor.
IMO swapping in a DOHC VTEC B series motor is a waste of money if your are just gonna boost it anyway, a Non VTEC B18 is dirt cheap and can make 300hp on stock internals and if you blow it who cares, go get another one for cheap! Plus to tune a VTEC Turbo engine is alot more work then a non VTEC motor.
give me a break, everyone who does a turbo buold should have and consider getting it tuned!
sure u can run stock, but after a year or so, you know the power potential is right there!!!!
why not build it right the first time????
everyone on here can say im running 7psi and thats it.... but after a year of 7psi, leads to 10psi. so forth!
so i just dont get useless info handed out to people who need the right answers!! not everyone is gonna slap a motor ten boost and blow it.... waste of money and how many times of you getting it out and putting a new one in, and plus u gotta think not everyone is mechanically inclined!
but hey!
04-Nov-2005, 04:59 PM
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great of you to join Epic
A pleasure to have another hardcore guy on the board
A pleasure to have another hardcore guy on the board
04-Nov-2005, 06:24 PM
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Another 9psi daily driven D16 over here, but its going into storage as soon as snow hits.
BTW its a completly stock motor running boost for 2 summers.
BTW its a completly stock motor running boost for 2 summers.
04-Nov-2005, 06:35 PM
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I'd stick with a D because everyone is hatin on it. With the money invested into a B swap and then tuning, using that money would be better into building a D which would in turn be a B-series killer.
D is where its at
I heard that the D internals can support max 300HP.
D is where its at
I heard that the D internals can support max 300HP.
04-Nov-2005, 06:52 PM
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EPIC TUNING - your my new HERO!
thats awesome!
thats awesome!
