B18C|

Hey guys,
well i was thinking for the past lil while and have read many things about this topic of switching to an ls/vtec but im not too sure about the exact route to go...i will start off with my budget so you guys know ii aint talkin trash...i have about $2500 to spend...moe or less few pennies
ok with that said and done now what i would like to know is would i be able to put together someting with few extra bolt-ons and tuning to reach 200hp+??
and what exactly do i need other than the ls block? b18a? b18b?
and b16 head...
if someone can help me out with this id appreciate it...
thanks guys

punkindrublic

the easiest way to get 200 whp for $2500 is to buy a d16z6 and put boost on it... cause the motor can be had for $200 or so... then you have 2gs to spend on turbo and intercooling etc...

imported_zc_hatch

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

200 hp is an attainable goal with a B18B VTEC... but the price depends on how much work you can do yourself, and how much shopping around you can do

punkindrublic

parts alone would be close to $2500 wouldn't it though... i've never seriously looked into it but a b18b is like $2000 isn't it? then a b16 or b18c head? then you'd want a b16 tranny probably for gearing.... or i guess if you bought it all separate it would be better.... cause all you'd really need is a b18 block, b series vtec head, then tranny.... plus things that bolt to the motor to make it go

imported_eth0r

meh.. u can find b18b for cheaper than 2000.. 1500-800.. the b18a is even cheaper.. slap a turbo on that and ull be good with lots of torque

imported_Cablerat

A d16z6 with 200+WHP.. hahahah good luck... you can do it for $2500 sure.. but i doubt the motor will last very long..

kinda pointless as well cuz I think he has a g2 teg..

imported_22hatch

or you can get the ls for now and spray, then later on down the road put a vtev head.

imported_Cablerat

LS w/ spray is not gonna last very long again..

Your goals for 200WHP at that price are gonna result in a blown engine.....

imported_22hatch

true, but I am not saying spray a big shot, something to give the car an edge and slowly build the motor or just leave it a ls.

dingus8

2500 will pay for decent parts and machineing...but nto the block and assembly and tranny (which is key to allmotor)

bedget setup is

itr pistons
b16head
gsr cams (cams are key gsr at minimum)
fully balanced and machiend bottomend
keep below 8000 rpm's
afc to tuen injector's

that woudl net probonly 170-180 whp if done write

200 whp would need better cams

and this motor woudlnt' last to long at 8000 rpm's all the time

imported_22hatch

ok so forget about spraying, you will need more cash to spray, but like I said, you can just keep the ls the way it is and get a i/h/e and do a small shot.

Chigga1

LS/VTEC is very expensive route but worth it at the end with a combo of Torque and top end power!

$2500 bucks.. if thats your spending amount, i say LS motor.
with some bolt-ons on that car that would give a SIR a very good running...

they got lots of stuff for the B18's non vtec.
as for slaping a VTEC head, lots more work involved. it definately isnt a walk in the park.....

if i were you...... B18A/B - boost!
there is some people u can talk too... go to clubsi.com

but its up to you... honestly i love the pull of the 90-93 non vtec LS/RS/GS integra's... they go really good!

my buddy has a 90 teg.. and if i were to line up with him, he would beat me.... but long term like 1/4 mile race, id take him b/c once i hit vtec, it will always be in my powerband when shifting gears!

yes my car is stock for now... just gotta slap the CAI on my car!

B18C|

umm i see...
well i dun mind switching cars to a 92-95 hatch ill probabaly do that in the spring time since its too cold now..
so the turbo d16z6 route is good..but would it honestly not last??
i would do b18a turbo but i want VTEC
no spray please guys, cant afford to get caught
and the ls/vtec method would require more work as you guys stated...more work obviously more $$$
so what im thinking is the turbo route with the one cam wonder...any suggestions? thanks guys...

imported_22hatch

ask yourself how far you want to go with this motor, if you are looking for some power they go with the d series, but if you want to build some real power the ls or lsvtec or ls boost are really good, and for building a ls/vtec, dont just give it to anyone, if its not put together the right way its not gonna last you.

Personaly its just not worth building the d series, you are gonna want more.

shlammed

dohc zc w/ turbo instead of d16z6

imported_gatherer

my personal opinion is that VTEC isn't all it's cracked up to be .... with proper design it's not needed...

if the cam is changed to a high lift long duration cam, while yes you lose some bottom end you will still have the "VTEC -LIKE" top end, in racing if you then get a properly geared tranny you'll never fall out of the top end... so why have more rotating mass?

VTEC might be great for daily street driving... but for street driving I personally would rather have low end since I don't want to be paying an arm and a leg for gas while driving in VTEC to get some power....

90ls

true but all depends on your setup.


as for ls/vtec you need a lot more then that. $2500

my fully built all motor cost double that and i had a b18c1 to start with.

if you want to build its either to build right or not.

you will regret it ,, you will also need to keep in mind that building id the first step. you will spend serious money on tunning.

as for low end power. its all in your setup and your gearing.

do your research, and figure out what you really want. and how long you want it for.

If you need help send me a pm.

imported_22hatch

Yeah for sure you will need more then $2500 dollares to make 200/whp on a ls/vtec, plus you will also need some kind of engine mangement + tunning.

Nova_Dust

I still don't understand what makes the B18B block more torque then other B18 engines... the block themselves are different?