1st time swap need advice
#1
1st time swap need advice
This will be my first swap and I am just a little unsure about a few things so I 'm hoping to hear some ideas.
First off engine going in-b16a sirII
my ride-1998 civic dx
With the engine came pretty much everything but what I can use and what I can't is the question?
-Can I use the axles that came with it or do I need the 94-01 integra axles? if so do I need to change the intermediate shaft?
-Can I use the shift linkage that came w/ the engine or does that need to be changed also?
-I didn't recieve a p/s pump or brackets w/ engine so I am wondering which are compatible?
-I have 2 4-wire o2 sensors on my dx, the b16a only uses 1. Which o2 sensor do I use and what do I do w/ the other unused 1?
Any help would be much appreciated,THANKS.
First off engine going in-b16a sirII
my ride-1998 civic dx
With the engine came pretty much everything but what I can use and what I can't is the question?
-Can I use the axles that came with it or do I need the 94-01 integra axles? if so do I need to change the intermediate shaft?
-Can I use the shift linkage that came w/ the engine or does that need to be changed also?
-I didn't recieve a p/s pump or brackets w/ engine so I am wondering which are compatible?
-I have 2 4-wire o2 sensors on my dx, the b16a only uses 1. Which o2 sensor do I use and what do I do w/ the other unused 1?
Any help would be much appreciated,THANKS.
#2
so your puttin an obd1 engine in an obd2 car.
First of all you will need 94-01 integra axels and intermediate shaft.
Then what are you doing for an ecu? B/c the obd1 p30 you prolly got with the swap won't plug into your harness. You can get a p28 chipped i guess and get an obd2-obd1 conversion harness.
But still there is the matter of the distributor, vtec solenoid and knock sensor wiring. The b16 dizzy only has 1 plug and your engine harness will have 2 plugs. The p30 only looks for 1 o2 sensor. I don't know if the o2 sensor that came in the b16's exhaust manifold will plug into the cars obd2 harness.
I think that your best bet would be to get the harness from a 92-95 civic si (d16z6) and if you want wire in the knock sensor, or since its prolly broken anyways, when or if you get a p28 chipped to run a b16 you can just specify to eliminate the knock sensor to avoid having to wire it in. B/c if you use the p30 and the knock sensor is broken you'll get a CEL.
It would be a lot easier for you to get an obd2 b16a2 so you can use your cars engine harness. Or get an obd2 b16 ecu and hard wire the distributor b/c it will work with an obd2 ecu. I am using a p72 obd2 gsr dizzy on my obd1 b16, all i had to do is match up the wires and solder them. And if you use an obd2 ecu it will look for 2 o2 sensors so you could make use of your 2. Are both o2 sensors located on the manifold in your car? Or is the secondary o2 sensor downstream of the manifold?
First of all you will need 94-01 integra axels and intermediate shaft.
Then what are you doing for an ecu? B/c the obd1 p30 you prolly got with the swap won't plug into your harness. You can get a p28 chipped i guess and get an obd2-obd1 conversion harness.
But still there is the matter of the distributor, vtec solenoid and knock sensor wiring. The b16 dizzy only has 1 plug and your engine harness will have 2 plugs. The p30 only looks for 1 o2 sensor. I don't know if the o2 sensor that came in the b16's exhaust manifold will plug into the cars obd2 harness.
I think that your best bet would be to get the harness from a 92-95 civic si (d16z6) and if you want wire in the knock sensor, or since its prolly broken anyways, when or if you get a p28 chipped to run a b16 you can just specify to eliminate the knock sensor to avoid having to wire it in. B/c if you use the p30 and the knock sensor is broken you'll get a CEL.
It would be a lot easier for you to get an obd2 b16a2 so you can use your cars engine harness. Or get an obd2 b16 ecu and hard wire the distributor b/c it will work with an obd2 ecu. I am using a p72 obd2 gsr dizzy on my obd1 b16, all i had to do is match up the wires and solder them. And if you use an obd2 ecu it will look for 2 o2 sensors so you could make use of your 2. Are both o2 sensors located on the manifold in your car? Or is the secondary o2 sensor downstream of the manifold?
#3
OK, so I will need to p/u the axles and intermediate shaft from 94-01 integra, will this work w/ the y21 trans. or is there something else I need? I have heard of an axle seal but I am not to sure what that is?
As far as the ecu, I got the P30 and the obd2 - obd 1 jumper harness, checked it out and everything plugs in.
As far as the distributor and alternator I picked up obd2 ones.
The wiring for the oil pressure switch, vtec solenoid, and knock sensor are done. If knock sensor is broken I'll pick up another off ebay or something.
For the o2 sensor- both run a 4-wire o2 sensor, if it doesnt plug in I was going to cut and solder wires. I am still unsure which is primary and which is secondary, and if I just cut the unused one off? I can see both o2 sensors looking down in the engine bay, the one that came on the b16a is going to be further back under the engine.
Still unsure about shift linkage, if what i got w/ the engine will work, or if I need to p/u integra shiftlinkage?
Something else that came to mind, will aftermarket headers for 99-00 sir work w/ this engine?
Thanks for the help so far, very much appreciated!!
As far as the ecu, I got the P30 and the obd2 - obd 1 jumper harness, checked it out and everything plugs in.
As far as the distributor and alternator I picked up obd2 ones.
The wiring for the oil pressure switch, vtec solenoid, and knock sensor are done. If knock sensor is broken I'll pick up another off ebay or something.
For the o2 sensor- both run a 4-wire o2 sensor, if it doesnt plug in I was going to cut and solder wires. I am still unsure which is primary and which is secondary, and if I just cut the unused one off? I can see both o2 sensors looking down in the engine bay, the one that came on the b16a is going to be further back under the engine.
Still unsure about shift linkage, if what i got w/ the engine will work, or if I need to p/u integra shiftlinkage?
Something else that came to mind, will aftermarket headers for 99-00 sir work w/ this engine?
Thanks for the help so far, very much appreciated!!
#4
The integra axels will work with your tranny. Axels seals are the seal that goes around where the axel goes into the tranny.
Thats good that you got a jumper harness.
The primary o2 sensor is the one closest to the manifold (the 1st one....hence primary) and the secondary o2 is the second one. The primary o2 sensor on a b16 is in the collector of the exhaust manifold, which is where the manifold connects to the cat.
I am not sure which shift linkage you got b/c i didn't get any with my swap, i needed to get 93-95 del sol shift linkage, but i think integra shift linkage will work as well.
Yes, an aftermarket 99-00 SIR header will work. I recommend gettin something with a 2.5" collector.
Sounds like you know what you are doing and are off to a good start.
Thats good that you got a jumper harness.
The primary o2 sensor is the one closest to the manifold (the 1st one....hence primary) and the secondary o2 is the second one. The primary o2 sensor on a b16 is in the collector of the exhaust manifold, which is where the manifold connects to the cat.
I am not sure which shift linkage you got b/c i didn't get any with my swap, i needed to get 93-95 del sol shift linkage, but i think integra shift linkage will work as well.
Yes, an aftermarket 99-00 SIR header will work. I recommend gettin something with a 2.5" collector.
Sounds like you know what you are doing and are off to a good start.
#5
Zeeman you have been way awesome so far, Thanks!!!!
The shift linkage that came w/ the engine probably came from a 92-95 civic, if that helps any.
I dont mean to beat the dead horse, I still need to get the integra intermediate shaft also?
Thanks again..
The shift linkage that came w/ the engine probably came from a 92-95 civic, if that helps any.
I dont mean to beat the dead horse, I still need to get the integra intermediate shaft also?
Thanks again..
#6
yes you do need the integra intermediate shaft.
Well if its b-series shift linkage i don't see why it wouldn't work.
I mean, if its the linkages that fit a b16 into a civic then it should work...but i am not 100% sure.
And i am glad i can help
Well if its b-series shift linkage i don't see why it wouldn't work.
I mean, if its the linkages that fit a b16 into a civic then it should work...but i am not 100% sure.
And i am glad i can help
#7
If you look at the shift linkage you got with the swap:
The end bushing of the stabilizer arm (the one that bolts to the transmission) should look different that that of your d series linkage. It is much larger and is bolted directly to the transmission from the engine side. B series transmissions have a little "post" in which to slide the shift linkage stabilizer arm over.
In comaparion, the D series linkage attaches to a steel bracket at the back of the transmission and is through bolted.
Both the Del Sol VTEC(96-97 B16) and Integra shift linkages will work with your swap.
I wish I had some pics to show you, but if you do a quick search for images on the next I hope you'll see what I mean.
Best of Luck
The end bushing of the stabilizer arm (the one that bolts to the transmission) should look different that that of your d series linkage. It is much larger and is bolted directly to the transmission from the engine side. B series transmissions have a little "post" in which to slide the shift linkage stabilizer arm over.
In comaparion, the D series linkage attaches to a steel bracket at the back of the transmission and is through bolted.
Both the Del Sol VTEC(96-97 B16) and Integra shift linkages will work with your swap.
I wish I had some pics to show you, but if you do a quick search for images on the next I hope you'll see what I mean.
Best of Luck
#9
Much mahalos so far, I know these types of questions come up all the time, I really appreciate everyone's help and time so far.
CHEERS!!!
I'm going to go check the linkage right now, sorry not digital camera at this time.
CHEERS!!!
I'm going to go check the linkage right now, sorry not digital camera at this time.
#11
I brought the shift linkage in that came w/ the engine and compared it to a picture of the shift linkage from avid racing (linkage recommended for swap) looks identical. I'll give it a go and see what happens. I haven't taken out my motor yet so the d-series linkage is still in there. I'll jack up the car and see if the length of the linkage is good.
Where is a good place to look for intermediate shafts?
Thanks again.
Where is a good place to look for intermediate shafts?
Thanks again.
#12
Compare the linkage you got with the linkage that's on the car now. It is only the one end that is different to the eye. The lengths are even VERY similar.
Did you get axles with the b16 and is there an intermediate shaft bolted to the back of the engine?it? If there is you should be able to use all those things. In your original post it wasn't clear if you got those things with your swap or not.
No need to search for any of the integra stuff if you have the b16 intermediate shaft and axles.
Did you get axles with the b16 and is there an intermediate shaft bolted to the back of the engine?it? If there is you should be able to use all those things. In your original post it wasn't clear if you got those things with your swap or not.
No need to search for any of the integra stuff if you have the b16 intermediate shaft and axles.
#13
I got everything with the engine, the intermediate shaft is still bolted on the back of engine. the axles fit into the shaft no problem. I was just unsure if this would work because the engine and axles came out of a 92-95 civic and I will be putting it into a 98 civic.
Thanks.
Thanks.
#14
no, if you already have the axels with the engine use those ones. Its just important if you use the integra intermediate shaft to use the integra axels, but at the same time if you are using the B-series del sol/92-95 jdm civic intermediate shaft (that came with the swap) to use B-series del sol/92-95 jdm civic axels.
So you don't need to buy axels or the half shaft b/c you already have them.
So you don't need to buy axels or the half shaft b/c you already have them.
#15
if you dont wanna go hunting for one I would just post up a WTB ad and you should get a few people with them.
Obviously you know its illegal to put an older engine into your car correct? Just make sure you have someone who can e-test and safety your car for you without any "hassles"
Obviously you know its illegal to put an older engine into your car correct? Just make sure you have someone who can e-test and safety your car for you without any "hassles"
#16
GREAT- sorry for any confusion, I am blown away by how much this has helped. I was a little intimidated at first about me doing the swap but its forums and help like this that ease any worrys. Much appreciated
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