Lets Talk Specs.
03-Mar-2003, 10:34 PM
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Lets Talk Specs.
Help me out here fellow racers. A stock JDM h22a
puts out 161 ft/lbs of torque and 140 of it kicks in
at a mere 2000 rpm . What are the specs. on the
B 16 , B 18 c & c5 & B20. Why are most racers going
with the ever popular B16s , when it cost almost as
much as an h22a & the B18s which cost $ 2000 more .
I don' t know how much a B20 would go for but its rare
and it doesn't have much history. So for all the viewers
out there lets show some specs. so that they can decide
for themselves which motor would be the choice for there
HONDA CIVIC.
puts out 161 ft/lbs of torque and 140 of it kicks in
at a mere 2000 rpm . What are the specs. on the
B 16 , B 18 c & c5 & B20. Why are most racers going
with the ever popular B16s , when it cost almost as
much as an h22a & the B18s which cost $ 2000 more .
I don' t know how much a B20 would go for but its rare
and it doesn't have much history. So for all the viewers
out there lets show some specs. so that they can decide
for themselves which motor would be the choice for there
HONDA CIVIC.
03-Mar-2003, 10:43 PM
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The h22a swap you need special mounts plus a bunch of other things. MOST of the other b-series are all drop in. i believe. a b16a2 installed costs 2500(Friend told me). So its not exactly cheaper.
04-Mar-2003, 12:31 AM
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H22A full swap including install is about $6000-7000.
B16A full swap including install is about $3000 (approx.)
Its not only the funds ppl have to work with. Many ppl want to setup their cars for auto-x or all around performance. A H22a is usually intended for drag purposes. The H22a is also heavier by 150 lbs that will add an increase in understeer on a car which means u gotta take those corners slower than with a stock engine. Thats unless u do some mad weight reduction...a good 150 lbs worth.
Another factor is also aftermarket support. Many ppl are on a tight budget and can usually find B series parts for cheaper than H series engine parts...at least that's what i think.
B16A full swap including install is about $3000 (approx.)
Its not only the funds ppl have to work with. Many ppl want to setup their cars for auto-x or all around performance. A H22a is usually intended for drag purposes. The H22a is also heavier by 150 lbs that will add an increase in understeer on a car which means u gotta take those corners slower than with a stock engine. Thats unless u do some mad weight reduction...a good 150 lbs worth.
Another factor is also aftermarket support. Many ppl are on a tight budget and can usually find B series parts for cheaper than H series engine parts...at least that's what i think.
04-Mar-2003, 12:13 PM
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What ! $2500- 3000 4 aB16 installed.
What year is the motor ? How many clicks are on it ?
Please don't mislead the viewers here. Have you ever
heard of , you get what you pay for ? To me , a B 16
installed at that price , your getting something old with
many clicks on it. When the shops says that the motor
only has 50 ks on it , don't believe it cause they won't
know unless they saw the car the motor came out of.
By the way you guys didn't mention what year B 16's
came on production in Japan. NOT TO MENTION OIL LEAKS!
ATTENTION! FELLOW RACERS
we need more feed back on this one
Please don't mislead the viewers here. Have you ever
heard of , you get what you pay for ? To me , a B 16
installed at that price , your getting something old with
many clicks on it. When the shops says that the motor
only has 50 ks on it , don't believe it cause they won't
know unless they saw the car the motor came out of.
By the way you guys didn't mention what year B 16's
came on production in Japan. NOT TO MENTION OIL LEAKS!
ATTENTION! FELLOW RACERS
we need more feed back on this one
04-Mar-2003, 01:10 PM
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Sorry buddy do I have to school you again in this thread??
whether it's an H22, B16,B18 etc etc you don't know if the Kilometer's are right unless you see the car for yourself in all of them not just the B16. Where do you get your info from??
There are many H22's out there that come out of 1994 or 1995 preludes that could very well have over 150,000 km's on them so don't generalize with just B16a's as your motor unless you happened to see the car that it came out of could very well have over 100,000 km's easy.
My car has a 2nd Gen B16a in it and it had 48,000km's on it when I bought it as I saw the car that it came in before it was taken out and taken to a friends house for me to pick up.
OIL LEAKS?? So what your saying only B16's leak oil hahaha your misinformation to everyone makes me laugh. Oil Leaks depend on what condition the engine is in. ANY engine can have oil leaks. My B16a does not even burn oil let alone leak it. I go from oil change to oil change with out even having to top up some oil. How's that for a strong engine??
Just because you have someone put an engine in your car that is powerful doesn't mean you know what your talking about go read up on performance then come back and try to educate people cause I don't want to have to see your posts in here and have to correct you all the time cause some people might actually believe what your saying(some people don't know that much which is cool their here and on other boards to learn).
By the way price of a B16 depends on the Generation of it example 88-91 1st gen cheaper,92-00 2nd gen more expensive. Mine was cheaper as a couple of freinds and I did the installation ourselves in my garage. Now I'm not saying I know everything cause I don't not even close but when you help do an installation and read up on everything you can get your hands on you do learn quite a bit. I suggest you do that before giving people wrong info.
Thanks
whether it's an H22, B16,B18 etc etc you don't know if the Kilometer's are right unless you see the car for yourself in all of them not just the B16. Where do you get your info from??
There are many H22's out there that come out of 1994 or 1995 preludes that could very well have over 150,000 km's on them so don't generalize with just B16a's as your motor unless you happened to see the car that it came out of could very well have over 100,000 km's easy.
My car has a 2nd Gen B16a in it and it had 48,000km's on it when I bought it as I saw the car that it came in before it was taken out and taken to a friends house for me to pick up.
OIL LEAKS?? So what your saying only B16's leak oil hahaha your misinformation to everyone makes me laugh. Oil Leaks depend on what condition the engine is in. ANY engine can have oil leaks. My B16a does not even burn oil let alone leak it. I go from oil change to oil change with out even having to top up some oil. How's that for a strong engine??
Just because you have someone put an engine in your car that is powerful doesn't mean you know what your talking about go read up on performance then come back and try to educate people cause I don't want to have to see your posts in here and have to correct you all the time cause some people might actually believe what your saying(some people don't know that much which is cool their here and on other boards to learn).
By the way price of a B16 depends on the Generation of it example 88-91 1st gen cheaper,92-00 2nd gen more expensive. Mine was cheaper as a couple of freinds and I did the installation ourselves in my garage. Now I'm not saying I know everything cause I don't not even close but when you help do an installation and read up on everything you can get your hands on you do learn quite a bit. I suggest you do that before giving people wrong info.
Thanks
04-Mar-2003, 04:35 PM
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The b16a is a 88-91 jdm model.
The whole thing about oil leaks can happen to any engine.
And i would rather purchase a b16a and fully build it with the extra ummmm $3000-4000. A b16a with very minor work done and a JR supercharger can run mid 13's no problem.
B16a $2500
Used Supercharger $2500
Other crap used $1500
That puts you at a roughly a mid 13 sec in a 5th gen hatch.
A H22a swap will cost just as much, but you don't have funds left over for any other mods...even breather mods.
The H22a would be a high 13 second car in a 5th gen hatch.
Besides a supercharger just sounds more intimdating IMO.
The whole thing about oil leaks can happen to any engine.
And i would rather purchase a b16a and fully build it with the extra ummmm $3000-4000. A b16a with very minor work done and a JR supercharger can run mid 13's no problem.
B16a $2500
Used Supercharger $2500
Other crap used $1500
That puts you at a roughly a mid 13 sec in a 5th gen hatch.
A H22a swap will cost just as much, but you don't have funds left over for any other mods...even breather mods.
The H22a would be a high 13 second car in a 5th gen hatch.
Besides a supercharger just sounds more intimdating IMO.
04-Mar-2003, 04:42 PM
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Re: What ! $2500- 3000 4 aB16 installed.
Originally posted by QRTRMILR
What year is the motor ? How many clicks are on it ?
Please don't mislead the viewers here. Have you ever
heard of , you get what you pay for ? To me , a B 16
installed at that price , your getting something old with
many clicks on it. When the shops says that the motor
only has 50 ks on it , don't believe it cause they won't
know unless they saw the car the motor came out of.
By the way you guys didn't mention what year B 16's
came on production in Japan. NOT TO MENTION OIL LEAKS!
ATTENTION! FELLOW RACERS
we need more feed back on this one
What year is the motor ? How many clicks are on it ?
Please don't mislead the viewers here. Have you ever
heard of , you get what you pay for ? To me , a B 16
installed at that price , your getting something old with
many clicks on it. When the shops says that the motor
only has 50 ks on it , don't believe it cause they won't
know unless they saw the car the motor came out of.
By the way you guys didn't mention what year B 16's
came on production in Japan. NOT TO MENTION OIL LEAKS!
ATTENTION! FELLOW RACERS
we need more feed back on this one
Good post coupe95!
04-Mar-2003, 05:56 PM
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Don't get me wrong Coupe 95. Just try to understand
what I'm trying to say here. You Obviuosly didn't see what
I was trying to get at . So let me just tell you that there is no way
your going to get a B 16 installed for $2500-$3000. Do you have
any clue how much B 16s are going for these days.Maybe you should call around and see. What if someone didn't have a friend
that could install it for FREE. To sum it up that price won't cut it.
I'm not trying dis your B16 I was simply talking about the PRICE.
I'm not on line to insult your B 16 ' PLEASE. TAKE IT ON THE TRACK
what I'm trying to say here. You Obviuosly didn't see what
I was trying to get at . So let me just tell you that there is no way
your going to get a B 16 installed for $2500-$3000. Do you have
any clue how much B 16s are going for these days.Maybe you should call around and see. What if someone didn't have a friend
that could install it for FREE. To sum it up that price won't cut it.
I'm not trying dis your B16 I was simply talking about the PRICE.
I'm not on line to insult your B 16 ' PLEASE. TAKE IT ON THE TRACK
04-Mar-2003, 07:05 PM
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B16a swap 1st gen (engine and tranny only).....$1600
Another place that has a B16a engine and tranny (1st gen)....$1300
Have the numbers to both if u don't believe me.
If you have all the parts (ie engine tranny, chip, axles...etc) then theres a shop that will do the swap for $500.
I've got the number to that too.
Now i won't post the numbers cuz that would be spamming if i'm not mistaken.
Now that were simply talking about PRICE ...theres my proof i'm not Bull Sh**ing. Where do u get ur prices from? Maybe you should do some research and look around b4 u purchase something. It really helps to know what ur investing in and what the market price is for the product.
Another place that has a B16a engine and tranny (1st gen)....$1300
Have the numbers to both if u don't believe me.
If you have all the parts (ie engine tranny, chip, axles...etc) then theres a shop that will do the swap for $500.
I've got the number to that too.
Now i won't post the numbers cuz that would be spamming if i'm not mistaken.
Now that were simply talking about PRICE ...theres my proof i'm not Bull Sh**ing. Where do u get ur prices from? Maybe you should do some research and look around b4 u purchase something. It really helps to know what ur investing in and what the market price is for the product.
04-Mar-2003, 07:34 PM
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Wow man those are real cheap prices.
I have friend interested in aB 16 but
we can't find any at that price man.
Its not US dollars is it . Just joking brother!
Coupe 95 relax man , why can't we just get along
and learn from one another.
I have friend interested in aB 16 but
we can't find any at that price man.
Its not US dollars is it . Just joking brother!
Coupe 95 relax man , why can't we just get along
and learn from one another.
04-Mar-2003, 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by QRTRMILR
Wow man those are real cheap prices.
I have friend interested in aB 16 but
we can't find any at that price man.
Its not US dollars is it . Just joking brother!
Coupe 95 relax man , why can't we just get along
and learn from one another.
Wow man those are real cheap prices.
I have friend interested in aB 16 but
we can't find any at that price man.
Its not US dollars is it . Just joking brother!
Coupe 95 relax man , why can't we just get along
and learn from one another.
1st gen B16's are pretty cheap, 2nd gen B16's(what I have) are more expensive usually about $4000 installed by a shop.
Just to correct you I didn't have a freind that installed it for free. I was right in there getting my hands dirty too.
04-Mar-2003, 09:45 PM
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Just for the engine, no installation??? NOOO WAAAAY TO HIGH. I can see the B16's going up in price since I bought one a year ago but not that much. I bought mine for $3000 and it should only be $1000 max for install.
04-Mar-2003, 10:46 PM
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$3000-$3500 for the price of motor sounds right
But we can't find any cheaper ones than that .
HAPPY MOTORING COUPE 95. No hard feelings.
Maybe will meet at the track one day. Then you and I can get it on.
But we can't find any cheaper ones than that .
HAPPY MOTORING COUPE 95. No hard feelings.
Maybe will meet at the track one day. Then you and I can get it on.
06-Mar-2003, 08:58 PM
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QRTR says dayam those S2000 are fast and furiuos.
Whats the specs on these cars like weight , shift point
stock wheel size, torque, hp ect...
Just imagine that in a civic what a project car . Custom
driveshaft, shortened axle ect... a rear drive Civic. If the
Focus's can put a 5.0 in there car , then we could do it too.
But ours would cost more to built though.
Can any B's beat an S2000 without any power adder , did
anybody witness it. If so whats been done to the motor.
Whats the specs on these cars like weight , shift point
stock wheel size, torque, hp ect...
Just imagine that in a civic what a project car . Custom
driveshaft, shortened axle ect... a rear drive Civic. If the
Focus's can put a 5.0 in there car , then we could do it too.
But ours would cost more to built though.
Can any B's beat an S2000 without any power adder , did
anybody witness it. If so whats been done to the motor.
06-Mar-2003, 10:14 PM
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You gotta remember that the s2000 is a RWD car. Putting that into a civic is difficult however its been done. Someone on another forum was selling a s2000 engine for $10000 and he sold it.
Yes B series engines can take out a s2000. The s2000 has a redline of 8300 rpm and from what i hear the s2000, to an extent, is hard to drive.
I've seen a rsx slaughter a s2000. I think a s2000 is a mid 14 sec car. (correct me if i'm wrong)
Yes B series engines can take out a s2000. The s2000 has a redline of 8300 rpm and from what i hear the s2000, to an extent, is hard to drive.
I've seen a rsx slaughter a s2000. I think a s2000 is a mid 14 sec car. (correct me if i'm wrong)
