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Old 20-Oct-2005, 01:22 PM
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Tons of good drivers out there than I am, but this is something I experienced lately, just want to share.

During a downhill cornering, if you brake late into the entry, the weight will shift to the front and you will experience lots of understeer and the rear wheel will tend not to grip as well.

I then played with weight shifting (as told by others) and I braked in the straight line, entred the corner then throttle off which makes the weight transfer to the rear, so the rear tires can grip better.

I was trying to do trial/left foot braking on the downhill but a little hard to do so. The second method worked well.

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downhill cornering you should experience oversteer.... not understeer and for the same reason .. no grip at the back tires make it easier to get them to slide... and come around....
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Old 20-Oct-2005, 03:52 PM
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Maybe it is my suspension setting, but I got understeer more than oversteer. But you are right, theoritically, it should have been over, not under.

But also, I got R in the front, and street in the back :P
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still those different grip levels should create over....
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Old 20-Oct-2005, 05:49 PM
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Not sure why, beats me :P
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During a downhill cornering, if you brake late into the entry, the weight will shift to the front and you will experience lots of understeer and the rear wheel will tend not to grip as well
You were asking too much of your front tires which caused the understeer. By braking late and descending, you may have miscalculated your entry speed, thereby coming in too hot and and then understeering around the corner. To alleviate this problem in mid corner, gradually unwind the wheel and get off the throttle gently to regain traction.

I was trying to do trial/left foot braking on the downhill but a little hard to do so. The second method worked well.
You attempted trail braking with your left foot????
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Old 21-Oct-2005, 09:47 AM
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Yes, that's probably it, entering speed isn't correct.

No, I wasn't doing trail with left foot. But I do use left foot braking whenever I can.
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Originally posted by jason_alt


You were asking too much of your front tires which caused the understeer. By braking late and descending, you may have miscalculated your entry speed, thereby coming in too hot and and then understeering around the corner. To alleviate this problem in mid corner, gradually unwind the wheel and get off the throttle gently to regain traction.



You attempted trail braking with your left foot????

well that makes a ton of sense thanks Jason.
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well that makes a ton of sense thanks Jason.
You're welcome.

No, I wasn't doing trail with left foot. But I do use left foot braking whenever I can
Interesting. Why is that? Additionally, when and where do you do it? Lastly, is the vehicle you drive on the track an automatic or manual transmission?
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Originally posted by jason_alt

Interesting. Why is that? Additionally, when and where do you do it? Lastly, is the vehicle you drive on the track an automatic or manual transmission?
I find practicing braking with left foot is a great way to control the amount of pressure the left foot uses. It is used to step on clutch which often apply heavy force. So I am training it in a sense. I sometimes entre a corner with both gas and brake pressed.

I do this around all the roads, well I often take the same routes to places so only a few places allow me to do so, also in autoX and road racing. But I find left foot braking on autoX harder as reaction time is much quicker and I need more time to practice it. The car is a standard.
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left foot brake on an autox? what kinda autox are you looking at? anywhere i go left foot brake isnt that practical..

best method to control understeer is to make sure you are not going over traction limit of the front tires... once they commit... just use the throttle to control oversteer or understeer... of course, you can always just slam on the brakes mid corner to initiate a slide.... but not fun if you cant control it
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