T-MacK

Actually your wrong! Aftermarket IM is a waste of time if it is Skunk2 or Blox. The Z6 is great stock if not the Edelbrock was the best suited for the D. It made good power across the board when we tested them a few years a'go.
I'm a d-seires guru and have ran 14's with know headwork.
My old set-up a couple years a'go.
B7 non vtec
I/H/E+delta 272
Z6 im + SI tranny running 14.8" on street tires.
Tuned to 135whp.

Current ZC non vtec sohc running 13.8" on street tires. All so no headwork.Thanks.

honDuh

Dude you need to relax
If you read properly, i was comparing both STOCK B16 and B20B
My setup has absolutely no headwork, or bottom end work done
Redline was bumped up a bit, Timing was adjusted by a few degrees.

B20Bs are actualy more underestimated then a B16 Id think
126hp with 143flbs of torque STOCK based in a CRV.
That 35+lbs of torque can make the difference in the world through your midrange rpms compaired to a B16.
Im not saying B16s are ****, but Id think a B16 would be a better engine for circuit, Time Attack, etc. Its got the power through the high revs.

BTW, B20Bs powerband ends around 6500rpm not 4500

Now ill say it again, my compairison was all by STOCK setups.

FPMotorsports

I am relaxed

Now if ur telling me a "126hp and 143tq " motor can touch a "170hp and 116tq " motor or even a usdm @ 160hp.... ur joking!
If you’re talking stock vs stock..... A b16 tranny is geared quite perfect it makes up for the loss in tq. Depending on the driver the b20 might pull 1st and most of 2nd but then it's getting worked! You got to remember tq is only good to get u going then u need hp to get u going faster.... too much tq = too much wheel spin.
I would sacrifice 27ft/lbs for 34-44hp any day!
You don't need much tq... if u got enough hp and good gearing
This is a topic we can argue @ all day till we r blue in the face... but my 0.02 and common sense will tell u a b16 will walk a b20 all day any day.
Only reason I would see someone getting a b20 is if they are on a budget, want something to bring you from point a to point b with fun torque, or if they plan on going b20vtec. Otherwise I don't see any logic.
Also.... if ur comparing a b20 in stock form the best matted tranny would be that of an ls(why because it's a bseries 5spd non vtec tranny and ls and b20's can compare).... and in that case lol.... it won't even be close.
Now my opinion is not biased because I own a b16/itr or because I have had more b16 set-ups or nething... I have had a b20 non-vtec on spray b4... and im telling you it will not run like a b16 1/4 mile wise.
Furthermore I have a friend with a stock b16. Bone stock... just a short ram intake and a itr cat back that will be coming to the track with me this coming weekend.... just so I can give u all a feel of some 1/4 mile times.
Now in saying this a lot of factors are important: Driver skill, vehicle trim, engine health, etc....
Now please I don’t want to hear nemore b20 talk

This is after all a " b16 1/4 mile times thread" not a "b20 vs b16 thread" which I might just start
Im in no way trying to be a ***** or nething just trying to say whats right

B16 OWNS B20

honDuh

I think you're too ignorant for your own good lol
Anyone who knows their head from their *** will know a B16 is NOT godly in the 1/4 mile

I was merely letting the author of this thread know, that you can get more results from almost any other kind of honda engine out there
Depending how much money you want to spend, you can make anything fast and high HP.

For a budget turbo setup you can make a d series be faster then a B series, so i really dont know what you're going on about
B16s are wicked in circuit and time attack, ill give it that
But bottom line, drag strip, theres tons more better engines to use.

kingjames1983

^ of course a turbo on a d would walk a stock b16... so $hit
Its not a horrible engine for the strip by any means. You can build them to be decent engines and they will reliable take you to the track perform well and take you home.
The original question in this thread has nothing to do with asking about what engine is good or comparing a b16 to any other engine... but instead asked about times regarding b16. Somehow you 2 starting going on about b20's and every other possible engine you could possibly fit into a car.
and if your comparing stock to stock all going to down a drag strip the only engines that are really going to make a huge difference stock is k.
Now I know why the mods here have given up trying to control some aspects of this site... look at how far off topic this crap has become?!?!?

FPMotorsports

Okie honestly now u got me just a bit pissed.... and frankly this is the last time I’ll be posting on this thread because Im not going to let some retard get me upset. I've owned more HONDA motors then u have years breathing first off!

Now who said a b16 was godly in a 1/4 mile?
Im simply saying a b16 will WALK ON A B20! Plain and simple.
b20 non vtec stock = $hit
b16 stock = way better then a stock b20

The author of this thread wants to know what a b16 with 17" rims and stage 2 cams etc will run.... Just because u have a b20 u don’t have to chime in.

Now im a huge D series fan (Infact I had the most powerful D series at one time all motor to my knowledge here in Canada) Head was a custom D15bvtec bottom end was a D16z6 to 1.8L.

Obviously a Dvtec on boost will rock a b16.
But ur comparing apples and oranges. Kind of like how your comparing your ****ty b20 to a b16.
Apples and apples... b16turbo vs Dturbo....hmmm which one will be quicker? hmmmm?
And honestly ur a retard. " For a budget turbo setup you can make a d series be faster then a B series, so I really don’t know what you're going on about
B16s are wicked in circuit and time attack, ill give it that
But bottom line, drag strip, there’s tons more better engines to use"
Did I once say a bseries vtec non turbo will be faster then a well done d series turbo? NO!
And if your trying to say well a d vtec on boost can run u cheaper then a b16 swap.... why would u say this? The guy already had a b16.... who would downgrade from a b16 to a d and boost it? Just boost the b16 in the future. This thread isn't "which motor should I get and what should I do to it" R-E-T-A-R-D!

Let me make this CRYSTAL CLEAR :
STOCK B16 WILL WALK STOCK B20
B SERIES ON BOOST WILL WALK A D SERIES ON BOOST
IF YOUR LOOKING FOR SOMETHING STRICTLY ALL MOTOR... I WOULDNT RECOMEND A B16 UNLESS U KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING AND HAVE EXTRA $$$ I would recommend a h22, b18c5 or k if you have money.
And for boost hands down a b16 is king. Now in all honesty I was trying to be nice bud.... but seriously don't go on and on like u know your stuff.
And again a b20 is a good motor to bring u from point a to b. or if your poor or if you plan on really doing a b20vtec. And for the record I think u fall under option 2. You need a $400 motor and think it's godly.
Go to the track 1/4 mile it and see what it runs. I have 2 confirmed stock b16s coming to the track if your up for it. 1 in a eg hatch. 1 in a teggy.
Put ur money where ur mouth is... and this offer is only for the track... no street racing.... only stupid ppl do that... and "maybe" u fall under this category
If you want to run pm me and we can set it up

honDuh

Well, i said i wasnt going to contribute to this thread, but since i know it bothers you that someone decides to argue your opinion, because its obviously wrong and that you havent gone past a B16 to find out all the potential there is.
And you've owned more honda motors then i have years left alive? HAHAHA that made me **** myself. Im surprised they let such ignorant un-educated people on these kinds of forums baffles my mind.
This is why i dont come on TCC that much no more, a good majority of ppl on here don't know their *** from their face. So I dont get bothered by what people say.
This is turning into more of a personal battle then an arguement over others opinions, because well, almost everyone will have a different opinion, get over it, you're not the king of honda engines, neither is the next guy that veiws his opinion.
People have opinions because its what theyve been exposed to, or what others have told them.

All im gonna say, Read this thread that im linking you.
Maybe you can learn something.
Its not a B20 vs B16 thread, its more a B16 vs B18 thread.

(For the mods, im not bashing TCC, nor am i advertising JDMrides, im just using this link as an example of a point that this "high_in_fibre" guy just wont shut up about)

http://www.teknotik.com/jdmrides/for...ad.php?t=20191

By the way... JDMRFTMFW!!!



/end thread

kingjames1983

^ thats a good thread...
I was just reading it today! lol

LEITNER

so many egos...

kingjames1983

its entertaining.... now heres were TCC can make money... orgianized boxing between feuding members

alphaq69

my stock b20b (i/h/e) ef 4dr. ran a 14.6. full interior, street tires.

now i dont know too many b16s w/ i.h.e running those times.. my boy norm had a b16 crx w/ lsd i.e and he ran a 14.4

but if someone can prove me wrong with a slip then yeah..

i've seen a b16eg w. itr cams. i/h/e and slicks run a mid 13s at the track..

T-MacK

My friend Chris has a b20b in his ed hb. His setup
B20b ls/trans
crower stage 1 cams
skunk2 cam gears
blox IM
I/H/E and 55 shot dry nos with bottle heater.
He made 139hp with 122tq without the spray
209hp and 199 tq with the bottle.

You must have the fastest b20b in town if your running 14'6's with just I/H/E on street tires.

Mr,eg coupe

drag strip is the place that will upset u, cuz the time, so dont think that u will get a very good time......i had a b16A2 in my eg coupe before, headers, exhaust, intake, 15" wheels street tires.....and my best run was 15.1

i thought i could break in to like 14.8 but it was impossible!

MrX

wow lota hate in this thread! it all depend on what you want to use the car for imho, b16's or any honda vtec motor in general are awesome for road racing / autoX etc.. because they make power where it matters and they can take lots of abuse, and also they're lightweight. add that to honda chassis and suspension geometry and you've got yourself a Porsche eater on the track. I don't understand ppl building up honda motors for 1/4 mile, I would get a v8 domestic or something like that if I was a drag racer, cheap cars, cheap aftermarket, cheap replacement parts in case **** breaks etc.. and you run way better numbers per $$ spent compared to a honda motor. if you want a dd + drag thats also good on gas and reliable then thats different story but don't expect crazy numbers from it unless you go really crazy on modding it in which case your gas mileage and reliability go down the drains and you'll still get walked all over by a stock big block my personal opinion.

honDuh

What time did your friend chris run??
That LS trans is the worst id say to use, if youre N/A. Not too sure how it goes with the juice though.
But if he was straight N/A, i wouldnt expect much from that.

And no, I don't have no crazy fast car. And no i wasnt saying that a $500 engine will get you into 14s.
Its just some people think cuz its says VTEC that its the best out there.
Yeah a B16 will walk all over a B20 in a circuit course
But tell me, Take a B16 with b16 transmissins in a EH2 hatch, compare it to the exact same EH2 chassis but with a B20B with a B16 transmission.
The exact same driver
Both setups completely STOCK
Now tell me which setup do you think you'd see at the finish line first??

The B20B has almost 40lb of torque more then a stock B16, Horsepower doesnt really have a place until youre around 3-4k rpm.
So who would have it from a dig??



I totaly agree a Honda is pointless for 1/4 mile racing.
Unless its against another Honda.
The only way to make some real impressive power is lots of $$$.
Unfortunately FWD cars lack from a dig.

A co-worker has a 1989 RX-7 chassis with a 5.0L 302 Ford in it, 5 speed transmission, street tires.
His best time was a 13.8.
And he maybe only spent 1500 on the car.
$500 on the chassis *its not even safetied or anything, no plates*
$700 for the engine and trans from B&D
He literaly made the mounts and linkages. And literaly took it to the track with only doing an oil change on the engine.
It didnt last long, but a 13.8 ET isnt bad at all for $1500

B'dEH2

Yeh this b20b set-up is dead on with my b20/vtec coupe. mind you my motor is facked!

LEITNER

wow...a guru who cant spell. i love people who are full of themselves.

T-MacK

Wow...big comment from someone who knows nothing about me.
Just making a simple point.

LEITNER

calling ones self a guru is a big statement that merited such a big response. i needed to know nothing about you.

anyhow.

T-MacK

Oh its all good.....I've gotten use to the personal jabs you've been tossing at me the last few months, I would'nt expect anything less from you.