2008 civic oil change
10-Jan-2008, 12:15 AM
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2008 civic oil change
Is that new oil change monitor the thing to go by or just do the regular oil changes as normal?
The dealer says to follow the light and it will come on at 8000 to 10000kms or so.
It has me a bit worried but if the logic is right I will just take the car in as the computer tells me?
Let me know what you think?
They also say not to rev it over 5000 for the first 1000kms is this a sound advice, some say to drive it hard to set to rings?
All your help is appriciated,
Kevin
The dealer says to follow the light and it will come on at 8000 to 10000kms or so.
It has me a bit worried but if the logic is right I will just take the car in as the computer tells me?
Let me know what you think?
They also say not to rev it over 5000 for the first 1000kms is this a sound advice, some say to drive it hard to set to rings?
All your help is appriciated,
Kevin
10-Jan-2008, 08:18 AM
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well i worked at honda for abit, and they swear by that system, the only problem i have with that system is they tell you that u should change the filter every other oil change, but i would def not do that, if u do follow the system, do so, but change the filter EVERYTIME, but thats just my opinion....for an extra couple bucks, why not..cant go wrong
10-Jan-2008, 11:08 AM
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I am at the 7800km mark in my '07 and the oil life reached 15%. This morning was the first time when I got the warning that I need an oil change. I think I will get one done this week, or before I reach 8000kms.
I too heard that Honda will only replace the oil on the 1st oil change, but I will request the replacement of the filter as well. Personally I will go with the Honda maintenance rather than changing the oil every 5000kms like I used to do on my old EK.
I too heard that Honda will only replace the oil on the 1st oil change, but I will request the replacement of the filter as well. Personally I will go with the Honda maintenance rather than changing the oil every 5000kms like I used to do on my old EK.
10-Jan-2008, 12:42 PM
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New cars do not need maintenance as often as older cars. It's as simple as that.
Just because we used to swear by the 5000km/3 month rule for oil changes, doesn't mean new cars will always need the same maintenance. Don't get scared when the say you can go much longer. They say that because it CAN go much longer. Just because your old car needed maintenance more often doesn't mean your new car will. Think about it.
Times are changing, cars are becoming more advanced. They don't burn as much oil anymore, they don't break down the oil as fast as they use to, and the oils are becoming more advanced and will last much monger. There is no need to change the oil more often than suggested by the manufacturer.
I use amsoil now and go 15,000kms+ between oil changes because the oil was engineered to last. I keep an eye on the condition and level of the oil every 2 weeks, and add some as needed (eveyone knows b16's burn a little oil over time...lol) and it still looks decent when I change it after 15,000kms+.
Just because we used to swear by the 5000km/3 month rule for oil changes, doesn't mean new cars will always need the same maintenance. Don't get scared when the say you can go much longer. They say that because it CAN go much longer. Just because your old car needed maintenance more often doesn't mean your new car will. Think about it.
Times are changing, cars are becoming more advanced. They don't burn as much oil anymore, they don't break down the oil as fast as they use to, and the oils are becoming more advanced and will last much monger. There is no need to change the oil more often than suggested by the manufacturer.
I use amsoil now and go 15,000kms+ between oil changes because the oil was engineered to last. I keep an eye on the condition and level of the oil every 2 weeks, and add some as needed (eveyone knows b16's burn a little oil over time...lol) and it still looks decent when I change it after 15,000kms+.
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10-Jan-2008, 02:34 PM
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I hate those stupid reminders. They read off start up cycles and mileage, people thing they actually read the oil, which they dont. I'm not sure if the 08's do or not, but i know in the past honda reminders do not read the oil. FOr the first oil change since they use 'special break in' oil, i would wait for the light to come on, after that I would change it every 5-6000km and/or every 3 months.
VTEC Thunder.. how are the engines better nowadays? If anything you should change the oil more often because the tolerances are becoming tighter and tighter. I agree the oils have come along way, but if you are using conventional oil change it every 5-6K or 3 months. Especially if you do short drives, if your dialy route does not include the hwy i would change it every 3 months regardless of mileage. So my professional advise would be not to wait for the reminder and change the oil every 5000km. There has been several cases I have heard of where dealerships have not granted warranty items because people have waited for their reminder to come on.. which sometimes will take upwards of 10,000km. Unless you switch to a good quality synthetic, i would not wait for that reminder. Even with a synthetic I still wouldnt push my service intervals that far.
VTEC Thunder.. how are the engines better nowadays? If anything you should change the oil more often because the tolerances are becoming tighter and tighter. I agree the oils have come along way, but if you are using conventional oil change it every 5-6K or 3 months. Especially if you do short drives, if your dialy route does not include the hwy i would change it every 3 months regardless of mileage. So my professional advise would be not to wait for the reminder and change the oil every 5000km. There has been several cases I have heard of where dealerships have not granted warranty items because people have waited for their reminder to come on.. which sometimes will take upwards of 10,000km. Unless you switch to a good quality synthetic, i would not wait for that reminder. Even with a synthetic I still wouldnt push my service intervals that far.
10-Jan-2008, 03:56 PM
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This is crazy to mention! If a dealer will not honour the warranty for that, that dealer should be sued.
HONDA AMERICA and CANADA have told you to change the oil when they say, based on the reminder light.
If they go back on there word its fruad. So I dont think that its something that HONDA will allow to happen.
Rather I think the people that dont change there oil at all just say I never saw the light and ignored it for months and months.
There is always a reason why something is done.
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10-Jan-2008, 04:31 PM
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There has been several cases I have heard of where dealerships have not granted warranty items because people have waited for their reminder to come on..
I call bs on this one unless you have something to back it up. I know for a fact if I was in situation I would fight it since the maintenance and repair times/km are stated in the manual that comes with your car.
I call bs on this one unless you have something to back it up. I know for a fact if I was in situation I would fight it since the maintenance and repair times/km are stated in the manual that comes with your car.
10-Jan-2008, 06:36 PM
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dealers will not void a warranty for that.. They can if u go past the maintenance minder. It will go into the (-)km. Also, Honda dealers will always replace filter on an oil change unless otherwise stated by the customer that they just want the oil changed. Honda dealerships dont use a special "break in oil" either.
man, so much false info in this thread..
man, so much false info in this thread..
10-Jan-2008, 06:38 PM
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BTW ive seen some people come in for their first oil changes around the 12000 km mark.
If youre so worried about it, change the oil at 50% but just dont reset the Maintenance minder, then come in for your regular service when it gets down to 10%. Thats what my buddy does.
If youre so worried about it, change the oil at 50% but just dont reset the Maintenance minder, then come in for your regular service when it gets down to 10%. Thats what my buddy does.
10-Jan-2008, 06:38 PM
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dealers will not void a warranty for that.. They can if u go past the maintenance minder. It will go into the (-)km. Also, Honda dealers will always replace filter on an oil change unless otherwise stated by the customer that they just want the oil changed. Honda dealerships dont use a special "break in oil" either.
man, so much false info in this thread..
man, so much false info in this thread..
10-Jan-2008, 10:35 PM
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For now I am just going with the maintenance minder and if the dealership will not honor my warranty because I followed the maintenance minder, they will definitely hear from me. Personally I don't think any dealer will say anything if the car was serviced when it was supposed to and if it was serviced at authorized dealers.
10-Jan-2008, 10:50 PM
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10-Jan-2008, 11:08 PM
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yes im sure! I have never even heard of it at my dealership. I just put in the 5w20.
Do they maybe put this "break in oil" from the factory when its first made? wouldnt that make more sense? by 8000km its already broken in.
Do they maybe put this "break in oil" from the factory when its first made? wouldnt that make more sense? by 8000km its already broken in.
11-Jan-2008, 07:00 AM
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11-Jan-2008, 02:21 PM
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VTEC Thunder.. how are the engines better nowadays? If anything you should change the oil more often because the tolerances are becoming tighter and tighter. I agree the oils have come along way, but if you are using conventional oil change it every 5-6K or 3 months. Especially if you do short drives, if your dialy route does not include the hwy i would change it every 3 months regardless of mileage. So my professional advise would be not to wait for the reminder and change the oil every 5000km. There has been several cases I have heard of where dealerships have not granted warranty items because people have waited for their reminder to come on.. which sometimes will take upwards of 10,000km. Unless you switch to a good quality synthetic, i would not wait for that reminder. Even with a synthetic I still wouldnt push my service intervals that far.
It's a matter of choice. Use regular oil and stick with changing your oil every 5k or 3 months or use synthetic and change your oil every 15k+ or 6-9months. There's nothing wrong with doing it either way.
As for the warning lights and oil monitoring systems, I wouldn't trust them. If the manufacturer says to change the oil every 8000km's or 4 months or what ever, then stick to that. If it's been 8k and your oil monitor says your oil is still at 50%, change it anyways. I don't know what Honda uses in most of their new cars, it may be a semi synthetic blend which allows them to safely stretch the oil change interval without any problems and keep the cost down for the oil. I know my friend's mazda 6 goes 8k and mazda uses a semi synthetic oil. Honda may do the same.
11-Jan-2008, 04:31 PM
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Your right. If you are using conventional oil, by all means, change your oil more often because you will need to. Conventional oil breaks down a lot faster than full synthetic. The idea behind synthetics is so give better protection for a much longer period of time. Since newer engines have tighter tolerances I wouldn't use conventional oil. If I bought a new car and had to do the fist oil change at the stealership I would have them put in synthetic.
It's a matter of choice. Use regular oil and stick with changing your oil every 5k or 3 months or use synthetic and change your oil every 15k+ or 6-9months. There's nothing wrong with doing it either way.
As for the warning lights and oil monitoring systems, I wouldn't trust them. If the manufacturer says to change the oil every 8000km's or 4 months or what ever, then stick to that. If it's been 8k and your oil monitor says your oil is still at 50%, change it anyways. I don't know what Honda uses in most of their new cars, it may be a semi synthetic blend which allows them to safely stretch the oil change interval without any problems and keep the cost down for the oil. I know my friend's mazda 6 goes 8k and mazda uses a semi synthetic oil. Honda may do the same.
It's a matter of choice. Use regular oil and stick with changing your oil every 5k or 3 months or use synthetic and change your oil every 15k+ or 6-9months. There's nothing wrong with doing it either way.
As for the warning lights and oil monitoring systems, I wouldn't trust them. If the manufacturer says to change the oil every 8000km's or 4 months or what ever, then stick to that. If it's been 8k and your oil monitor says your oil is still at 50%, change it anyways. I don't know what Honda uses in most of their new cars, it may be a semi synthetic blend which allows them to safely stretch the oil change interval without any problems and keep the cost down for the oil. I know my friend's mazda 6 goes 8k and mazda uses a semi synthetic oil. Honda may do the same.
11-Jan-2008, 08:11 PM
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Your right. If you are using conventional oil, by all means, change your oil more often because you will need to. Conventional oil breaks down a lot faster than full synthetic. The idea behind synthetics is so give better protection for a much longer period of time. Since newer engines have tighter tolerances I wouldn't use conventional oil. If I bought a new car and had to do the fist oil change at the stealership I would have them put in synthetic.
It's a matter of choice. Use regular oil and stick with changing your oil every 5k or 3 months or use synthetic and change your oil every 15k+ or 6-9months. There's nothing wrong with doing it either way.
As for the warning lights and oil monitoring systems, I wouldn't trust them. If the manufacturer says to change the oil every 8000km's or 4 months or what ever, then stick to that. If it's been 8k and your oil monitor says your oil is still at 50%, change it anyways. I don't know what Honda uses in most of their new cars, it may be a semi synthetic blend which allows them to safely stretch the oil change interval without any problems and keep the cost down for the oil. I know my friend's mazda 6 goes 8k and mazda uses a semi synthetic oil. Honda may do the same.
It's a matter of choice. Use regular oil and stick with changing your oil every 5k or 3 months or use synthetic and change your oil every 15k+ or 6-9months. There's nothing wrong with doing it either way.
As for the warning lights and oil monitoring systems, I wouldn't trust them. If the manufacturer says to change the oil every 8000km's or 4 months or what ever, then stick to that. If it's been 8k and your oil monitor says your oil is still at 50%, change it anyways. I don't know what Honda uses in most of their new cars, it may be a semi synthetic blend which allows them to safely stretch the oil change interval without any problems and keep the cost down for the oil. I know my friend's mazda 6 goes 8k and mazda uses a semi synthetic oil. Honda may do the same.
newer ones use 5w20 semi synthetic.
They changed to the 5 20 around 2000-2001
11-Jan-2008, 08:42 PM
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I never guessed this post would stir the pot so much.
Basicly I think changing the old either by the regualr 5000km or monitor system makes no diffrence.
Its been tested in cabs that changing the oil regularly or not makes little diffrence in the wear of the cyclinder walls. Some of its just based on odds as well.
In truth not many people keep there cars past 8 years or so. In that time frame most cars will fair ok. If the car is a lemon, changing the oil allot will make no difference. Regular scheduled maintenance will help resale but over doing will make little difference in selling price. I would say a clean body and undercoating make more resale than oil changes, lets face it cars are mostly image more than anything.
I will stick with what honda told me, changing the oil when the light comes on. Cant fault that system, if the dealer gives me problems, its their word that I took at face value.
In 8 years if I still have this car, I will most likely be at a loss, as fuel will be 5 bucks a liter. And some sort of more efficent engine will be the norm as well. I'll enjoy the raw engine for what its got, take care of the car well within my means and look to my next car with wonder!
Kevin
Basicly I think changing the old either by the regualr 5000km or monitor system makes no diffrence.
Its been tested in cabs that changing the oil regularly or not makes little diffrence in the wear of the cyclinder walls. Some of its just based on odds as well.
In truth not many people keep there cars past 8 years or so. In that time frame most cars will fair ok. If the car is a lemon, changing the oil allot will make no difference. Regular scheduled maintenance will help resale but over doing will make little difference in selling price. I would say a clean body and undercoating make more resale than oil changes, lets face it cars are mostly image more than anything.
I will stick with what honda told me, changing the oil when the light comes on. Cant fault that system, if the dealer gives me problems, its their word that I took at face value.
In 8 years if I still have this car, I will most likely be at a loss, as fuel will be 5 bucks a liter. And some sort of more efficent engine will be the norm as well. I'll enjoy the raw engine for what its got, take care of the car well within my means and look to my next car with wonder!
Kevin
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