D.I.Y. - Rear camber washer trick!
07-Mar-2005, 11:07 AM
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generally (and I say this from having many many alignments done!!!) an alignment is a total rip off!!! unless you go to that place gatherer goes to! all they do is set your toe and that's it. camber and caster remain untouched. well caster is not adjustable.... but they won't touch your camber even if you have a camber kit. So really I recommend setting up a lil jig in your home garage with some levels and some builder's squares you can get at home depot. Some basic grade 12 trignometry should allow you to get the alignment settings in degrees w/o hurting your brain in the process.
now, rear camber is often far worse than front. most anyone with a drop over 1.5 inch will have about 2-2.5 degrees minimum in the rear. It's just the geometry of the rear susp. So yeah, depending on the thickness of washers used, fix it. I used 2 per bolt. and I used longer bolts too.
front will generally be about 1.5 to 2 degrees with a mild drop less than 2 inches. You can do whatever you want there.
other way to verify camber is to take chalk dust or talcum powder or something... and sprinkle a generous amount on the ground in front of each wheel. roll your car through the powder (push your car, don't drive it through) and then look at how much powder transferred onto your tires. are the inside or outside edges still clean?? if so, you may have camber problems.
for toe settings, I still recommend going to the alignment shop.
now, rear camber is often far worse than front. most anyone with a drop over 1.5 inch will have about 2-2.5 degrees minimum in the rear. It's just the geometry of the rear susp. So yeah, depending on the thickness of washers used, fix it. I used 2 per bolt. and I used longer bolts too.
front will generally be about 1.5 to 2 degrees with a mild drop less than 2 inches. You can do whatever you want there.
other way to verify camber is to take chalk dust or talcum powder or something... and sprinkle a generous amount on the ground in front of each wheel. roll your car through the powder (push your car, don't drive it through) and then look at how much powder transferred onto your tires. are the inside or outside edges still clean?? if so, you may have camber problems.
for toe settings, I still recommend going to the alignment shop.
Thanks Mr Goldbadge
07-Mar-2005, 11:35 AM
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For the record, I went to the place gatherer goes. Maybe i'll post up the alignment report and see what you guys think. I'm pretty sure there were things on it that I didn't understand at the time.
Kieran, there's probably a bunch of people on this board with the washer trick done to various suspension steups on different hondas. Maybe they can comment on how many washers to use.
Kieran, there's probably a bunch of people on this board with the washer trick done to various suspension steups on different hondas. Maybe they can comment on how many washers to use.
08-Apr-2005, 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by GoldBadge
Try brafasco
Try brafasco
what exactly shoudl i ask for when i go look for these?
ill try another location
thanks
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08-Apr-2005, 07:55 PM
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Gatherer only shops at Sierra for his bolts and washers.. and Sierra's into can be found on his car and his website.
www.drummondmotorsports.com
Now for alignments Gatherer only shops at Wheel and tire zone. (WTZ for short)
their phone number is 905-624-1577 be sure to ask for directions since they have moved.
www.drummondmotorsports.com
Now for alignments Gatherer only shops at Wheel and tire zone. (WTZ for short)
their phone number is 905-624-1577 be sure to ask for directions since they have moved.
10-Jul-2005, 02:39 AM
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Soooooo i did it this evening,
M10 x 1.25 x 40mm is the bolt you need. You can get them at CT. You'll notice in the pics, that i posted that the 40mm one's are more than long enough to compensate for the two washers.
All in call it cost me $5 and change, and a couple of scrapes cuz I only had two extensions for my ratchet, and with my strength everytime i broke a bolt loose my hand would keep going and hit the studs or the fender or something... grrrr
The bolt, stock bolt, and bolt with two washers on it to compare their lengths..
All nicely installed and tightened... look at that bling!!
although it fixed the camber made it tight as hell when flexing the suspension up (by raising the opposite front corner like bruno suggested) the wheel tucks beautifully into the wheel well with like 6mm to spare... it kinda seems like it's cutting it close, but that's more than enough room cuz but hey it's oh so beautiful!!
M10 x 1.25 x 40mm is the bolt you need. You can get them at CT. You'll notice in the pics, that i posted that the 40mm one's are more than long enough to compensate for the two washers.
All in call it cost me $5 and change, and a couple of scrapes cuz I only had two extensions for my ratchet, and with my strength everytime i broke a bolt loose my hand would keep going and hit the studs or the fender or something... grrrr
The bolt, stock bolt, and bolt with two washers on it to compare their lengths..
All nicely installed and tightened... look at that bling!!
although it fixed the camber made it tight as hell when flexing the suspension up (by raising the opposite front corner like bruno suggested) the wheel tucks beautifully into the wheel well with like 6mm to spare... it kinda seems like it's cutting it close, but that's more than enough room cuz but hey it's oh so beautiful!!
