What to do. Sell or part-out car?
03-Oct-2011, 09:08 PM
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What to do. Sell or part-out car?
Some of you have seen my 00 SiR with it's unusual suspension setup. I'm debating moving on to something else.
I love the car to death, but I'm getting older and there are other cars that are starting to look a lot more appealing to my needs and tastes.
The question is, should I try to sell the civic as-is or part it out?
I know I'm going to lose money either way, but the reason I hesitate from trying to sell it as is, is that people are less likely to want a raised SiR with rust on the front fenders and hood. Unless maybe I supply new front fenders that just need to be panted. I don't know, maybe I'll get more back by parting it out. B16a2, itr ported header, SiR tranny, exedy stage 2 3-puck ceramic clutch with 8 lb exedy light-weight flywheel.... seats, cluster, tails, blacked headlights, rims & tires, brakes, even the 2100watt stereo system. I still listen to rock, but don't need it at volume level 1 million anymore... lol
What do you guys think? Those of you who have seen the car, be honest and give me your opinion of what it's worth. (It's ok, you won't hurt my feelings. I know it is far from "mint" :P)
Mechanically, the thing is bulletproof. I bought it in feb 06 with 90k and it now has 275k and NOT ONCE has the check engine light come on and not once has it failed to start or left me stranded. I've maintained it as best I could. Replaced parts the moment they needed it and it has treated me well. With some new valve seals I'm sure it would probably run another 200k easy (so long as the driver doesn't overly abuse it).
PS. I'm looking at moving to a volvo 850 turbo or s70 t5 (same car) sedan or wagon. What ever it is, it will be something mid-sized with factory turbo.
I love the car to death, but I'm getting older and there are other cars that are starting to look a lot more appealing to my needs and tastes.
The question is, should I try to sell the civic as-is or part it out?
I know I'm going to lose money either way, but the reason I hesitate from trying to sell it as is, is that people are less likely to want a raised SiR with rust on the front fenders and hood. Unless maybe I supply new front fenders that just need to be panted. I don't know, maybe I'll get more back by parting it out. B16a2, itr ported header, SiR tranny, exedy stage 2 3-puck ceramic clutch with 8 lb exedy light-weight flywheel.... seats, cluster, tails, blacked headlights, rims & tires, brakes, even the 2100watt stereo system. I still listen to rock, but don't need it at volume level 1 million anymore... lol
What do you guys think? Those of you who have seen the car, be honest and give me your opinion of what it's worth. (It's ok, you won't hurt my feelings. I know it is far from "mint" :P)
Mechanically, the thing is bulletproof. I bought it in feb 06 with 90k and it now has 275k and NOT ONCE has the check engine light come on and not once has it failed to start or left me stranded. I've maintained it as best I could. Replaced parts the moment they needed it and it has treated me well. With some new valve seals I'm sure it would probably run another 200k easy (so long as the driver doesn't overly abuse it).
PS. I'm looking at moving to a volvo 850 turbo or s70 t5 (same car) sedan or wagon. What ever it is, it will be something mid-sized with factory turbo.
03-Oct-2011, 11:56 PM
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Give in, Buy a Subaru WRX.
When I bought my Subaru, I sold my civic with the ITR in it and got enough for snow tires. (Blizzak).
I'd bite the bullet and sell it as-is. It's a pain in the as.s and you'd have a busted up car sitting around for a long time rusting.
-B
When I bought my Subaru, I sold my civic with the ITR in it and got enough for snow tires. (Blizzak).
I'd bite the bullet and sell it as-is. It's a pain in the as.s and you'd have a busted up car sitting around for a long time rusting.
-B
04-Oct-2011, 08:44 AM
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^I could just remove the ride height collars and it would be lowered again. Just a pain to do is all.
No offense f8i, not crazy about the WRX. Was lookin for something a bit bigger. Not crazy about awd either. Just more things to go wrong. My next cars is going to remain stock as a daily driver. The less to go wrong, the better.
No offense f8i, not crazy about the WRX. Was lookin for something a bit bigger. Not crazy about awd either. Just more things to go wrong. My next cars is going to remain stock as a daily driver. The less to go wrong, the better.
04-Oct-2011, 04:05 PM
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Trade you my CRX for it? You could go buy a Volvo T5 wagon and carry the CRX in the back.
OR go pure rally with the SiR and get your self a true DD. wait... what's that noise I hear....
mike, mike.... MIKE!!!!!
It's Targa Newfoundland calling...
OR go pure rally with the SiR and get your self a true DD. wait... what's that noise I hear....
mike, mike.... MIKE!!!!!
It's Targa Newfoundland calling...
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04-Oct-2011, 09:55 PM
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In all honesty, I'm lookin to save money. Lookin at spending about 1000 to 1500 on my next ride (that's total cost to put it on the road). And hoping to make at least 1000 back on top from selling the civic.
I'm not giving up on racing completely and forever, but I am for the time being. Project cars and winter beaters are not plausible or practical right now. It's one car, year-round for me.
Dustin, your offer is tempting... Very tempting...lol.
I'm not giving up on racing completely and forever, but I am for the time being. Project cars and winter beaters are not plausible or practical right now. It's one car, year-round for me.
Dustin, your offer is tempting... Very tempting...lol.
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Damn, no more 4x4 civic. It is a sad day.
05-Oct-2011, 07:59 AM
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I'm not keen on awd. My civic has proven over and over to me that awd is not required as I often blow past many other 4wd vehicles in the ditch... I used to get stuck on my 500 foot driveway when the civic was lowered and the snow was more that 8" deep. After raising the car, I never got stuck once last winter and have driven through snow over a foot deep.
Awd adds an extra drive shaft, diff, axles (more things to go wrong/need replacing) and more friction from those components = less fuel economy.
Reliability, fuel economy, and simplicity are the main things I'm looking for.
Looking at what is available on kijiji lately, anything newer (after the mid-90's) for that kind of price ($1000-1500) is generally in pretty rough shape. Older stuff (before early to mid 90's) for that kind of money, there are some decent wheels out there.
The one car I keep coming back to every time and really appeals to me is the volvo 240 and 245(wagon). They made these things from 1975 through 1993 virtualy unchanged save for variations on engine displacement and the switch from carberators to fuel injection. They have a basic front engine rwd layout and are very simple in design and extremely easy to work on. The look is classic and to me, timeless. There are millions still on the road and parts can be had easier than a given civic generation. Designed for the climate and conditions in sweden, they handle snow and winter like a boss. Heated seats are standard and....well I could go on and on. They are practically bullet proof and many I have seen exceed 500,000kms and still going strong. This is exactly the kind of car I'm looking for and unless the right deal comes along on something newer, I'm pretty sure a 240 will be the one. If it's not a 240, it will most likely be another volvo of some kind.
Anyways, yeah, it looks like I'll just do my best to sell the civic as-is (I may even sell it cert and e-tested as I know it'll pass both no problem and will make it easier to sell, ready for the road.
I used to get stuck on my 500 foot driveway when the civic was lowered and the snow was more that 8" deep. After raising the car, I never got stuck once last winter and have driven through snow over a foot deep.Awd adds an extra drive shaft, diff, axles (more things to go wrong/need replacing) and more friction from those components = less fuel economy.
Reliability, fuel economy, and simplicity are the main things I'm looking for.
Looking at what is available on kijiji lately, anything newer (after the mid-90's) for that kind of price ($1000-1500) is generally in pretty rough shape. Older stuff (before early to mid 90's) for that kind of money, there are some decent wheels out there.
The one car I keep coming back to every time and really appeals to me is the volvo 240 and 245(wagon). They made these things from 1975 through 1993 virtualy unchanged save for variations on engine displacement and the switch from carberators to fuel injection. They have a basic front engine rwd layout and are very simple in design and extremely easy to work on. The look is classic and to me, timeless. There are millions still on the road and parts can be had easier than a given civic generation. Designed for the climate and conditions in sweden, they handle snow and winter like a boss. Heated seats are standard and....well I could go on and on. They are practically bullet proof and many I have seen exceed 500,000kms and still going strong. This is exactly the kind of car I'm looking for and unless the right deal comes along on something newer, I'm pretty sure a 240 will be the one. If it's not a 240, it will most likely be another volvo of some kind.
Anyways, yeah, it looks like I'll just do my best to sell the civic as-is (I may even sell it cert and e-tested as I know it'll pass both no problem and will make it easier to sell, ready for the road.
Last edited by MPR; 05-Oct-2011 at 08:02 AM.
05-Oct-2011, 12:29 PM
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I also am a big fan of the good old 240. You should find a GT though for sure. Also I'm pretty sure that the slightly newer Volvo 16 valve 4 cylinder heads can be bolted on to most any of the motors that came in the 240 and they flow so much better then the 8 valve version.
You'l almost never find one (and yet I sent one to be crushed once) but for a laugh look up the Burtoni (sp?) edition of the 240. Might have been a 242. When I was living out west I worked for a Volvo/BMW specialist who had a 240 GT pure race car, gutted, caged, boosted and wide bodied etc. He used to take it to things like the Knox Hill climb race in the mainland. Guys with fully purpose built Civics/Integ's etc were all amazed if they could hit the 2 min mark on that climb. His 240 managed to get 1:59 and I don't really think he was the greatest driver.
If I had stayed out there longer, he had a few extra GT's out back behind the shop that had good shells but blown motors, I was tempted to grab one from him and then start looking for an f20/23 to try and swap in there. Hey if it works so well as a drift car motor for AE86's, and the Volvo was the car of choice when developing the Scandinavian Flick, think of what that combo could do.
You'l almost never find one (and yet I sent one to be crushed once) but for a laugh look up the Burtoni (sp?) edition of the 240. Might have been a 242. When I was living out west I worked for a Volvo/BMW specialist who had a 240 GT pure race car, gutted, caged, boosted and wide bodied etc. He used to take it to things like the Knox Hill climb race in the mainland. Guys with fully purpose built Civics/Integ's etc were all amazed if they could hit the 2 min mark on that climb. His 240 managed to get 1:59 and I don't really think he was the greatest driver.
If I had stayed out there longer, he had a few extra GT's out back behind the shop that had good shells but blown motors, I was tempted to grab one from him and then start looking for an f20/23 to try and swap in there. Hey if it works so well as a drift car motor for AE86's, and the Volvo was the car of choice when developing the Scandinavian Flick, think of what that combo could do.
05-Oct-2011, 12:38 PM
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I had an 86 740 turbo for a few months (a couple years ago) and it got horrible fuel mileage.
The NA b230f motors in the 240's are nearly indestructable in stock trim which exactly what I'm after. Yeah they only have 115hp, but they also have 140ft-lbs of torque and a very broad torque curve. I've seen some youtube vids of stock 240's acceleration tests and seen a guy beat my civic in autocross with the same engine (car had suspension done and sticky tires) with only 115hp.
Honestly, they have enough to get a big fat ticket on the highway, and that's fast enough. I don't need a rocket. Plus I still have my megasquirt standalone and a bunch of turbo volvo parts laying around. Would cost me next to nothing to add a snail to it. hehe.
The NA b230f motors in the 240's are nearly indestructable in stock trim which exactly what I'm after. Yeah they only have 115hp, but they also have 140ft-lbs of torque and a very broad torque curve. I've seen some youtube vids of stock 240's acceleration tests and seen a guy beat my civic in autocross with the same engine (car had suspension done and sticky tires) with only 115hp.
Honestly, they have enough to get a big fat ticket on the highway, and that's fast enough. I don't need a rocket. Plus I still have my megasquirt standalone and a bunch of turbo volvo parts laying around. Would cost me next to nothing to add a snail to it. hehe.
05-Oct-2011, 01:26 PM
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^I could just remove the ride height collars and it would be lowered again. Just a pain to do is all.
No offense f8i, not crazy about the WRX. Was lookin for something a bit bigger. Not crazy about awd either. Just more things to go wrong. My next cars is going to remain stock as a daily driver. The less to go wrong, the better.
No offense f8i, not crazy about the WRX. Was lookin for something a bit bigger. Not crazy about awd either. Just more things to go wrong. My next cars is going to remain stock as a daily driver. The less to go wrong, the better.
are you high?tehe, just kidding.
05-Oct-2011, 05:05 PM
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Pft evo8 couldnt keep up with my civic...just saying. And wrx is just like a honda. Overhyped and in reality usually not practical for DD.
Moreover, Mike, just sell the car as is, take the loss and move on.
Regarding older volvo engines, yes a 8v block and 16v head work together. If anybody remembers Mark, previous owner of the civic i had, is now building a 245 volvo, and hell, i cannot wait to see it come out.
Moreover, Mike, just sell the car as is, take the loss and move on.
Regarding older volvo engines, yes a 8v block and 16v head work together. If anybody remembers Mark, previous owner of the civic i had, is now building a 245 volvo, and hell, i cannot wait to see it come out.
