What car would you pick?
22-May-2009, 11:04 AM
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I'm not being ignorant. I'm just telling the truth.
If guys are getting 300whp from a k with an sc on a dd, thats awsome. Good for them...really. I'm not putting them down in any way.
It's not that it like's sc's better than other engines. Larger engines that make more torque will be able to run sc's more efficiently than smaller low torque engines because of the power required to run an sc. This is why they work well on k motors. not so much for b and d motors. However, even on a k motor, a turbo will still work better, do it's job more efficiently and still be just as reliable.
Turbo's, if done right, are every bit as reliable as sc's.
I'm not saying you can't make good power with an sc, but you can do it easier, and just as reliably with a turbo.
SC's work fine, they do their job well. If you want to use them, go ahead. But in the end, to do the same thing, which is force compressed air into an engine, turbo's are more efficient and have more potential than any sc ever will, and are every bit as reliable as an sc if done properly.
If guys are getting 300whp from a k with an sc on a dd, thats awsome. Good for them...really. I'm not putting them down in any way.
It's not that it like's sc's better than other engines. Larger engines that make more torque will be able to run sc's more efficiently than smaller low torque engines because of the power required to run an sc. This is why they work well on k motors. not so much for b and d motors. However, even on a k motor, a turbo will still work better, do it's job more efficiently and still be just as reliable.
Turbo's, if done right, are every bit as reliable as sc's.
I'm not saying you can't make good power with an sc, but you can do it easier, and just as reliably with a turbo.
SC's work fine, they do their job well. If you want to use them, go ahead. But in the end, to do the same thing, which is force compressed air into an engine, turbo's are more efficient and have more potential than any sc ever will, and are every bit as reliable as an sc if done properly.
...so i would have to disagree when you say that a turbo is more reliable.
22-May-2009, 11:19 AM
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-a turbo will require a lot more maintenance than a supercharger. So in the long run, it will always cost you more money to have. And the power difference wont be that big between a base turbo set up (on a k) & say a jackson racing supercharger.
...so i would have to disagree when you say that a turbo is more reliable.
...so i would have to disagree when you say that a turbo is more reliable.
So I have to agree with MPR on this one.
22-May-2009, 11:28 AM
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-a turbo will require a lot more maintenance than a supercharger. So in the long run, it will always cost you more money to have. And the power difference wont be that big between a base turbo set up (on a k) & say a jackson racing supercharger.
...so i would have to disagree when you say that a turbo is more reliable.
...so i would have to disagree when you say that a turbo is more reliable.
SC's usually have their own gear oil that needs to be changed time to time, plus a lot more moving parts with significantly more mass in an sc.
22-May-2009, 11:31 AM
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On my previous car (Acura EL), it was turbo'd for over 3 years and there was very little to no maintainance required at all. I hate that perception that 'turbo's require more maintenance then superchargers'...its a myth! As long as the turbo is installed and tuned properly the first time, it will be as reliable as any supercharger will ever be.
So I have to agree with MPR on this one.
So I have to agree with MPR on this one.
22-May-2009, 11:46 AM
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damn, you guys are sc haters.
22-May-2009, 02:12 PM
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OP, don't let us decide for you what car to get. It's ultimately up to you.
Test drive both and see which you like better.
The RSX probably drives better/smoother but the EM1 (SiR) has more potential, performance wise (comparing with the base RSX 160hp k20).
Test drive both and see which you like better.
The RSX probably drives better/smoother but the EM1 (SiR) has more potential, performance wise (comparing with the base RSX 160hp k20).
22-May-2009, 02:43 PM
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i would go with the civc SIR, not the SI. if you were gonna go with the civic SI then might as well go for the RSX premium...
it all depends on what you want.. first you take into consideration that a civic SIR is 1999-2000... this means it is a 9-10 year old car... most of them with more than 100,000 kms on it.. might find the odd one that has less than 100,000 kms...
now the RSX premium isnt bad but personally i think its over played... meaning too many people have this car and modify it the same way (again, personal preference. people don't need to bash on this) but the pros is its a newer year.. dont get me wrong i think thhe styling is great, but too many people have it...
overall my choice would be the civic SIR... simple to make it stand out from other SIR's is lowered, intake, headers, exhaust, and maybe a new set of rims (personally like the SIR rims port and polished) also a new pain job and maybe spend some time and money making the engine look nice and clean...
good luck buying! wish i had a choice on what car to buy!
it all depends on what you want.. first you take into consideration that a civic SIR is 1999-2000... this means it is a 9-10 year old car... most of them with more than 100,000 kms on it.. might find the odd one that has less than 100,000 kms...
now the RSX premium isnt bad but personally i think its over played... meaning too many people have this car and modify it the same way (again, personal preference. people don't need to bash on this) but the pros is its a newer year.. dont get me wrong i think thhe styling is great, but too many people have it...
overall my choice would be the civic SIR... simple to make it stand out from other SIR's is lowered, intake, headers, exhaust, and maybe a new set of rims (personally like the SIR rims port and polished) also a new pain job and maybe spend some time and money making the engine look nice and clean...
good luck buying! wish i had a choice on what car to buy!
22-May-2009, 03:00 PM
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i would go with the civc SIR, not the SI. if you were gonna go with the civic SI then might as well go for the RSX premium...
it all depends on what you want.. first you take into consideration that a civic SIR is 1999-2000... this means it is a 9-10 year old car... most of them with more than 100,000 kms on it.. might find the odd one that has less than 100,000 kms...
now the RSX premium isnt bad but personally i think its over played... meaning too many people have this car and modify it the same way (again, personal preference. people don't need to bash on this) but the pros is its a newer year.. dont get me wrong i think thhe styling is great, but too many people have it...
overall my choice would be the civic SIR... simple to make it stand out from other SIR's is lowered, intake, headers, exhaust, and maybe a new set of rims (personally like the SIR rims port and polished) also a new pain job and maybe spend some time and money making the engine look nice and clean...
good luck buying! wish i had a choice on what car to buy!
it all depends on what you want.. first you take into consideration that a civic SIR is 1999-2000... this means it is a 9-10 year old car... most of them with more than 100,000 kms on it.. might find the odd one that has less than 100,000 kms...
now the RSX premium isnt bad but personally i think its over played... meaning too many people have this car and modify it the same way (again, personal preference. people don't need to bash on this) but the pros is its a newer year.. dont get me wrong i think thhe styling is great, but too many people have it...
overall my choice would be the civic SIR... simple to make it stand out from other SIR's is lowered, intake, headers, exhaust, and maybe a new set of rims (personally like the SIR rims port and polished) also a new pain job and maybe spend some time and money making the engine look nice and clean...
good luck buying! wish i had a choice on what car to buy!
22-May-2009, 05:02 PM
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Don't forget Headers!
Anyways of couarse a turbo set-up can be reliable, I just know for a fact that a lot of people have had troubles and blowing engines like candy on EP hatch with there K20A3's. The JRSC seems to be more reliable then anything'else as frar forced induction goes. People have put on 40,000kms on there SC woth no troubles.
Anyways of couarse a turbo set-up can be reliable, I just know for a fact that a lot of people have had troubles and blowing engines like candy on EP hatch with there K20A3's. The JRSC seems to be more reliable then anything'else as frar forced induction goes. People have put on 40,000kms on there SC woth no troubles.
22-May-2009, 06:01 PM
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In the spring of 2006, I went to a big Civic meet in upstate NY. I got to go for a ride in a Comptech supercharged equipped 2006 Si. One of the first new Si's to have that sc actually. It was hella fast. With some other basic boltons, I/H/E and the Hondata reflash, I think it was making 260-270 to the wheels. Not huge numbers, but the car is still running strong and he has had no issues.
22-May-2009, 06:33 PM
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In the spring of 2006, I went to a big Civic meet in upstate NY. I got to go for a ride in a Comptech supercharged equipped 2006 Si. One of the first new Si's to have that sc actually. It was hella fast. With some other basic boltons, I/H/E and the Hondata reflash, I think it was making 260-270 to the wheels. Not huge numbers, but the car is still running strong and he has had no issues.
I was in upstate NY last year visiting my buddy who has a the JRSC on his stock A3 with bolt'ons and the car is hella fun to drive and has a shtload of TQ has never had an issue.
On a SI or K20A the JRSC is even more of a beast.
Even when I drove my turbo GSR I always had a back up car waiting.
25-May-2009, 08:06 AM
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Anyways of couarse a turbo set-up can be reliable, I just know for a fact that a lot of people have had troubles and blowing engines like candy on EP hatch with there K20A3's. The JRSC seems to be more reliable then anything'else as frar forced induction goes. People have put on 40,000kms on there SC woth no troubles.
However, running a turbo, most tend to run at higher boost levels than sc's will allow on the same engines. Even if you run the same boost (say an sc vs turbo at 8 psi on a k20), the turbo'd engine will make significantly more power with the same boost level because the engine isn't wasting 20 hp to run the blower. Since the engine is making more power, more attention needs to be given to proper engine tuning. That is probably why those guy's were all blowing their engine's. They probably weren't tuned properly, which has nothing to do with the turbo itself.
Sc's can be inpressive. They can make good power. But they will never have the potential or be able to make power with the efficiency of a turbo.
The 1st gen cobalt's were very quick and inpressive with their factory sc's. They even had different stage level upgrade kits from GM to make them even quicker.
You'll notice though they now switched to a turbo and make even more power from the factory. A friend of mine has an 09 HHR SS turbo with the 5 speed. He recently installed the GM stage 1 upgrade which puts it up around 290hp and 315ft-lbs from a simple reflash and a sensor swap.
30-Jun-2009, 10:03 AM
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seriously dont get the premium ull be kicking ur self in the a** without vtec.. plus there are so many RSX around now its not even cool.. i see atleast 5 new ones a day.. if go with the SIR lower on insurence cheaper parts and VTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEC y drive honda without the vtec???
