VW problematic
27-Jan-2003, 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
Just you wait 2-3 years.
I used to think the same thing...it's brakes are confidence inspiring, and it has a great level of grip for such a comfy car. The chassis is sturdy and solid. But wait and see. I hope you do add a Civic to your garage, since in 3 years it'll be the only car you'll be able to rely on 
As for the rear sway bar, you can rotate the car easily by going into a turn hot, with a bit of pedal, then lift off the gas and brake slightly for a fraction of a second, then get back on the gas. If you hang onto the brakes too long ABS will kick in, or if not, you will go into a tail spin. No need for a sway bar in the rear, but you are right, it's very softly sprung. You could do the 1.8T GTi springs, or the TDI springs which are a bit heavier. My understanding is that VR6 springs don't fit our struts, but that's something I heard from a bunch of clowns so I don't know for sure. Your Z28 sounds fun... mmm... 355 cubic inches of Bow-Tie's best 
Just you wait 2-3 years.
I used to think the same thing...it's brakes are confidence inspiring, and it has a great level of grip for such a comfy car. The chassis is sturdy and solid. But wait and see. I hope you do add a Civic to your garage, since in 3 years it'll be the only car you'll be able to rely on As for the rear sway bar, you can rotate the car easily by going into a turn hot, with a bit of pedal, then lift off the gas and brake slightly for a fraction of a second, then get back on the gas. If you hang onto the brakes too long ABS will kick in, or if not, you will go into a tail spin. No need for a sway bar in the rear, but you are right, it's very softly sprung. You could do the 1.8T GTi springs, or the TDI springs which are a bit heavier. My understanding is that VR6 springs don't fit our struts, but that's something I heard from a bunch of clowns so I don't know for sure. Your Z28 sounds fun... mmm... 355 cubic inches of Bow-Tie's best
As for the Z28, the rush is indescribable.... after three years, I can still make my palms sweat at the feeling.... 28MPG with the 6 speed isn't bad either. I'll post some pix, that I have at home.
27-Jan-2003, 11:19 AM
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Ya post pics plz... not a bad deal with the wife either Hey, you got VAG-COM??? Too bad that **** won't work with the TDI cuz it's OBD-D not OBD-I, but with new software it might. Maybe one day a few years down the road when the Golf craps out, I'll swing by with a case of beer and we'll test out the VAG-COM. (I think we lost all the Civic owners with all his VAG-COM talk ) Ok, here is a little secret about VWs...old ones were tanks. There is nothing I'd like more (other than millions of dollars and a hot wife) than a 1980 Rabbit GTI, all euro exterior, 2001 Recaros, Corrado dash, 2.0 L 16V built for 200 N/A horsepower, roll cage, all in Porsche silver. But since Beetles and Jettas have begun production in *AHEM* Mexico, quality has gone to crap. Wolfsburg made ones are not too bad, but the engineering faults are still there. 
Hey, you got VAG-COM??? Too bad that **** won't work with the TDI cuz it's OBD-D not OBD-I, but with new software it might. Maybe one day a few years down the road when the Golf craps out, I'll swing by with a case of beer and we'll test out the VAG-COM. (I think we lost all the Civic owners with all his VAG-COM talk ) Ok, here is a little secret about VWs...old ones were tanks. There is nothing I'd like more (other than millions of dollars and a hot wife) than a 1980 Rabbit GTI, all euro exterior, 2001 Recaros, Corrado dash, 2.0 L 16V built for 200 N/A horsepower, roll cage, all in Porsche silver. But since Beetles and Jettas have begun production in *AHEM* Mexico, quality has gone to crap. Wolfsburg made ones are not too bad, but the engineering faults are still there.
05-Feb-2003, 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by civicsrule
I totally agree. My bro in law has one and it is so ugly!
I totally agree. My bro in law has one and it is so ugly!
(maybe the Glow honda badge is what makes the difference... do they sell glow VW badges?)Like every car out there (yes even the mighty civic) will have problems, some small some large(ahem whose alternator is about to go?)my '99 Golf (Made in Mexico
) has over 130,000 on it and so far it just needed a good tune-up. People just need to take good care of their cars, that's all... let that be a Ford or a Honda or a VW for that matter. Now can't we all just get along?
This is getting old just like:
Cheers
06-Feb-2003, 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
Ya post pics plz... not a bad deal with the wife either Hey, you got VAG-COM??? Too bad that **** won't work with the TDI cuz it's OBD-D not OBD-I, but with new software it might. Maybe one day a few years down the road when the Golf craps out, I'll swing by with a case of beer and we'll test out the VAG-COM. (I think we lost all the Civic owners with all his VAG-COM talk ) Ok, here is a little secret about VWs...old ones were tanks. There is nothing I'd like more (other than millions of dollars and a hot wife) than a 1980 Rabbit GTI, all euro exterior, 2001 Recaros, Corrado dash, 2.0 L 16V built for 200 N/A horsepower, roll cage, all in Porsche silver. But since Beetles and Jettas have begun production in *AHEM* Mexico, quality has gone to crap. Wolfsburg made ones are not too bad, but the engineering faults are still there.
Ya post pics plz... not a bad deal with the wife either
Hey, you got VAG-COM??? Too bad that **** won't work with the TDI cuz it's OBD-D not OBD-I, but with new software it might. Maybe one day a few years down the road when the Golf craps out, I'll swing by with a case of beer and we'll test out the VAG-COM. (I think we lost all the Civic owners with all his VAG-COM talk ) Ok, here is a little secret about VWs...old ones were tanks. There is nothing I'd like more (other than millions of dollars and a hot wife) than a 1980 Rabbit GTI, all euro exterior, 2001 Recaros, Corrado dash, 2.0 L 16V built for 200 N/A horsepower, roll cage, all in Porsche silver. But since Beetles and Jettas have begun production in *AHEM* Mexico, quality has gone to crap. Wolfsburg made ones are not too bad, but the engineering faults are still there.
I used a program called TTS Datamaster to read and record *everything* going on in the motor in real time. It can record multiple snapshots a second, and records about 60 parameters in that time. Very powerful. LT1 Edit, or TunerCat is what I use to edit the PCM, and modify the program accordingly. I can tune and get 30 RWHP on a wide-band dyno with these programs. From there, at the track I can fine tune for conditions, gas etc... Unreal the electronics.
Our Golf is built in Brazil, and I hear what you're saying about the Jetta (essentially a Golf with a trunk), and Beetle.
As for the all VWs are ugly comment, I'm always wary about general statements like that, it usually indicates bias, which shouldn't be part of a statement like that to begin with. I'm sure we can all agree appearance is completely subjective.
06-Feb-2003, 12:15 PM
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I am doing the data acquisition thing with boost on my Civic. Can never have enough info. Yeah, I think the Golf and Jettas are exceptionally nice looking cars from the factory, esp with the 17" rims. Our Golf is a Wolfsburg built unit.... WVW VIN code. Ugly has nothing to do with how a car performs or how long it lasts. 
I think the old Land Rovers are ugly, but I can't argue with how they perform off-road, so that's beauty in my eyes....so purposeful, so rugged.
06-Feb-2003, 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
I am doing the data acquisition thing with boost on my Civic. Can never have enough info. Yeah, I think the Golf and Jettas are exceptionally nice looking cars from the factory, esp with the 17" rims. Our Golf is a Wolfsburg built unit.... WVW VIN code. Ugly has nothing to do with how a car performs or how long it lasts. I think the old Land Rovers are ugly, but I can't argue with how they perform off-road, so that's beauty in my eyes....so purposeful, so rugged.
I am doing the data acquisition thing with boost on my Civic. Can never have enough info. Yeah, I think the Golf and Jettas are exceptionally nice looking cars from the factory, esp with the 17" rims. Our Golf is a Wolfsburg built unit.... WVW VIN code. Ugly has nothing to do with how a car performs or how long it lasts. I think the old Land Rovers are ugly, but I can't argue with how they perform off-road, so that's beauty in my eyes....so purposeful, so rugged.
We chatted about the car for a bit. I would think they were ugly cars, ONLY if I knew nothing about them. That Viggen (Sweedish for Lightening), is unreal. The torque steer is so unmanageable in 1st, they retard timing for 1st gear. WOW!
We both agreed that is pure B.S., since we both loved torque and the hell is raises.
Boosted Civic? You would not happen to be the guy with the blue Civic, with some un-gawdly amount of FWHP are you???
Hot-damn... talk about torque steer now! Wicked.. . just wicked...
09-Feb-2003, 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
Ya post pics plz... not a bad deal with the wife either Hey, you got VAG-COM??? Too bad that **** won't work with the TDI cuz it's OBD-D not OBD-I, but with new software it might. Maybe one day a few years down the road when the Golf craps out, I'll swing by with a case of beer and we'll test out the VAG-COM. (I think we lost all the Civic owners with all his VAG-COM talk ) Ok, here is a little secret about VWs...old ones were tanks. There is nothing I'd like more (other than millions of dollars and a hot wife) than a 1980 Rabbit GTI, all euro exterior, 2001 Recaros, Corrado dash, 2.0 L 16V built for 200 N/A horsepower, roll cage, all in Porsche silver. But since Beetles and Jettas have begun production in *AHEM* Mexico, quality has gone to crap. Wolfsburg made ones are not too bad, but the engineering faults are still there.
Ya post pics plz... not a bad deal with the wife either
Hey, you got VAG-COM??? Too bad that **** won't work with the TDI cuz it's OBD-D not OBD-I, but with new software it might. Maybe one day a few years down the road when the Golf craps out, I'll swing by with a case of beer and we'll test out the VAG-COM. (I think we lost all the Civic owners with all his VAG-COM talk ) Ok, here is a little secret about VWs...old ones were tanks. There is nothing I'd like more (other than millions of dollars and a hot wife) than a 1980 Rabbit GTI, all euro exterior, 2001 Recaros, Corrado dash, 2.0 L 16V built for 200 N/A horsepower, roll cage, all in Porsche silver. But since Beetles and Jettas have begun production in *AHEM* Mexico, quality has gone to crap. Wolfsburg made ones are not too bad, but the engineering faults are still there.
10-Feb-2003, 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by BellaRSport
turbo gave the ghost. people who don't know about turbo cooling cause this to happen. i love how you shoot off your mouth about stuff you don't understand. take care
turbo gave the ghost. people who don't know about turbo cooling cause this to happen. i love how you shoot off your mouth about stuff you don't understand. take care
I think somebody missed the wink faces to imply that the post this refers to was all in fun...?
10-Feb-2003, 10:10 AM
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BellaRSport, first of all, you need to learn to speak english, or to type properly, cuz I have a hard time distinguishing what the hell you're saying... who said the turbo gave up and that VAG-COM won't work on TDI??? 
I said we may need a new program, but we'll test it one day on my dad's TDI. Next, the turbo didn't give up...I don't know where you got that idea from. Next, my dad's TDI is all stock, and it's slow as ****. Sorry to say, but the 4500 rpm redline just doesn't float my boat. I like my Civic's 7200 rpm redline. If you like the smell of your 200 torque oil burner, then fine no one said anything about yours.....I was just saying what problems we've had with a car we've owned since brand new. Most recently, we've had the chime thingy come on while driving, for no apparnet reason....just chimes away and no warning light come on....all doors/hatch are closed and e-brake is down...chime comes on intermittently. Sometimes the chime ***** up and only rings like halfway, and then sometimes it gets stuck chiming, so it soulds like a constant flatline type sound. I don't know WTF, but it's obviously electical. This car's got to go by this summer before it catches fire or something other electrical goes. We're sick of all the problems we've had with this VW...and I wish I could say it was a lemon, but really, this is what VW builds nowdays
I said we may need a new program, but we'll test it one day on my dad's TDI. Next, the turbo didn't give up...I don't know where you got that idea from. Next, my dad's TDI is all stock, and it's slow as ****. Sorry to say, but the 4500 rpm redline just doesn't float my boat. I like my Civic's 7200 rpm redline. If you like the smell of your 200 torque oil burner, then fine no one said anything about yours.....I was just saying what problems we've had with a car we've owned since brand new. Most recently, we've had the chime thingy come on while driving, for no apparnet reason....just chimes away and no warning light come on....all doors/hatch are closed and e-brake is down...chime comes on intermittently. Sometimes the chime ***** up and only rings like halfway, and then sometimes it gets stuck chiming, so it soulds like a constant flatline type sound. I don't know WTF, but it's obviously electical. This car's got to go by this summer before it catches fire or something other electrical goes. We're sick of all the problems we've had with this VW...and I wish I could say it was a lemon, but really, this is what VW builds nowdays
10-Feb-2003, 05:42 PM
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maybe you need english lessons because my message seems pretty clear to people i know. and not once did i trash talk civics but you keep throwing insults at me and my choice of ride. guess you got that "small member syndrome". hondas have problems to but most owners just lie about them.
10-Feb-2003, 05:56 PM
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BellaRSport, in your profile, it says you have a 97 CRV, and in your posts you say you have a TDI... I'm not sure which one you think I'm insulting. My family owned two TDIs, one of which we sold due to problems, and now another one we have to sell for the same reason. My Civic is the oldest car in the family (1998) out of the three, and has had no problems whatsoever. I am speaking from personal experience...I don't care to impress you or anyone else. I just wanted to share with the members here the issues we've had. Most ppl think that when they get older they will buy "better" cars. More expensive, yes, but better....questionable. We thought of buying VW as buying quality and reliability, but it has been quite the opposite. I just wanted the members to know what a mistake that was. As I said in the original statement, I don't bash VW or any other cars (well, maybe sunfires and cavaliers a little ) because at some time or another, odds are I've had one. I've personally owned 11-13 cars, not including what my parents have owned. So I think I can say I speak from experience. You said Hondas have more problems than being slow....so why do you say you never trash talked civics? Care to tell us what "problems" you've had with your Honda? Did you buy it new or used? I think TDIs are unique in their personality, but they don't suit me, and they are riddled with problems. I think I've said enough.... oh, and I hate the smell of the exhaust, it's so overpowering in the winter, and the car sounds like a fooking locomotive in the cold. These are my complaints about the VW in MY FAMILY. I don't care about yours... share your problems or shut up... If you have no problems, that's absolut-a-fooking-tastic. /rant
My family owned two TDIs, one of which we sold due to problems, and now another one we have to sell for the same reason. My Civic is the oldest car in the family (1998) out of the three, and has had no problems whatsoever. I am speaking from personal experience...I don't care to impress you or anyone else. I just wanted to share with the members here the issues we've had. Most ppl think that when they get older they will buy "better" cars. More expensive, yes, but better....questionable. We thought of buying VW as buying quality and reliability, but it has been quite the opposite. I just wanted the members to know what a mistake that was. As I said in the original statement, I don't bash VW or any other cars (well, maybe sunfires and cavaliers a little ) because at some time or another, odds are I've had one. I've personally owned 11-13 cars, not including what my parents have owned. So I think I can say I speak from experience. You said Hondas have more problems than being slow....so why do you say you never trash talked civics? Care to tell us what "problems" you've had with your Honda? Did you buy it new or used? I think TDIs are unique in their personality, but they don't suit me, and they are riddled with problems. I think I've said enough.... oh, and I hate the smell of the exhaust, it's so overpowering in the winter, and the car sounds like a fooking locomotive in the cold. These are my complaints about the VW in MY FAMILY. I don't care about yours... share your problems or shut up... If you have no problems, that's absolut-a-fooking-tastic. /rant
