iam_immigrant

The only unmarked i've seen in/around Toronto area are the Crown Vic's. But i have seen them use suburbans, crown vic and some impalas. And the unmarked will pull people over for "normal" infractions i've seen it.


i've seen them do all sorts of ****, for instance:

1. late at night instead of waiting for the light to change they turn on cherries and go thru
2. during midday/evening i've seen on cruiser turn on cherries to make a U to buy something to eat
3. one time coming home late (4am) on York Mills near Yonge cop runs red no cherries/lights and i almost hit the ******. he didnt even stop of anything just kept going like nothing happened.


And all those stupid speed traps they do in the name of safety B-*******-S!!! i want them to label it for what it really is CASH-GRAB!!

punkindrublic

have you seen how skinny the roads are over there?? a "tank" would not fit... taking england for example i think like 75% of the cars on the road are "economy" cars.... very few big cars.... perhaps cause there gas is like double what it is here... which all things considered isn't that bad

imported_gatherer

god this thread is funny .....

first unmarked SUV's have been around for awhile ... why the hell else would they be used in movies...

secondly cops do instill responsibility by enforcing punishments for stepping outside the rules (the law in other words)

thirdly stop signs are there not only to govern right of way but to slow the speed of traffic... it's in the rules that you have to come to a full and complete stop so a rolling stop whether you'd have the right of way or not is illegal and the cop is instilling responsibility in you by dishing out ther consequences of your actions for stepping outside the rules....

if cops weren't around this world would be a terrible place... why would people work? they wouldn't ... if you wanted something what would you do buy it? hell no you'd go a take it .... don't like someone? just add them to the mass grave in your backyard....

cops keep the country from going to hell in a handbasket...

yes there is the ticket side of things but this is because a monetary punishment is dished out when you step across the line. would you prefer a beating instead? does this line the coffers of the country with gold? hell no it might offset the cost of having the cops enforce the rules but being profitable hell no....

as for speeds in europe.. well getting a licence is harder there then it is here... if I do run for government sometime I'd love to suggest my idea traffic education.... trust me with 5000 dollar tests alot of idiots would be off the roads.... but hey thats a whole other thread.

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

Point taken.....lol I Was just heated at the moment i wrote that, cause half the time people on this board disrespect cops and don't realize that they are only looking out for the good & following what they must do to instill the good and maintain it.

bdotdan U'd Like To Hit Tha **** I'm Smokin......haha High Grade My Friend....High Grade......lol

gatherer,
My Friend you said it!

cibs

of course they give out tickets for profits... remember how last year (in Toronto) they were renogotiating the police budget, and they wanted to add a bunch of cops and then what they ended up doing (because city counsel wouldn't add as much money as the police board requested) was that they upped the ticket quota, and figured that would bring in an added 2.3 million i think or something like that... maybe the number was bigger but it was in that ball park...

bbarbulo

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Windsor has way more than that xenon, there was Cirruses, Bonnevilles, GTPs, Neons.... basically they take the most popular cars and buy them in the most popular colors for that car cuz then every green Bonneville you see you may think it's a undercover car. It's a huge deterrent. They also have a Dakota and F150. I met the guy who does the purchasing for these vehicles... he said deterrance is their main goal, which makes a lot of sense to me. Windsor cops are cool except for a few aux. ********. LaSalle cops are walking urinal infections. They'll book you for anything

bbarbulo

iTrader: (2)

Are you on crack?? Europe has primarily compacts and sub-compacts. Driving a Civic or Accord there is like a friggin limo. And their engine sizes are way smaller... 6th gen Civics over there come standard with a 1.4 L engine. When gas is $2.50 a liter you damn straight that they'll be driving small cars.

imported_gatherer

profit is revenue minus expenses.....

with that said I agree that yes they did that but the cost of the new officers would offset the extra revenue brought it.

like I said tickets cover part of the cost of the police expenses but not all. a profit would mean the revenue covered all expenses and gave money back to the city to do with as it pleases....

tickets that cost money would is better for the system. let's look at what happens to the system if 1km/h over the limit = 1 whip of the cane on your ***....

first lets assume that the beatings are not handed out at the roadside. lets say you have a certain amount of time to show up and plead guilty and take the beating or plead not guilty and get a court date.

ok so what happens under this example?

well for 1 everyone would take their tickets to court. this costs more money and puts a bigger burden on the system.

secondly no revenue stream to offset the cost of Judges and Police and Procescution and the beaters.... this results in taxes going up. some one has to pay the salaries or we end up with anarchy.

now whats the result of this? if you obey the law your pissed. why? because your hard earned money is being taxed at a higher rate so that people who speed can be properly punished. and if you speed your doublely pissed off because one your backside is red from the beatings and secondly you paid taxes to recieve that beating.

end result is a bunch of unhappy people.

now if we look at a simple example of how the monetary punishment system works. lets say a flat rate of 1 dollar per km/h over the limit is levied. (this is just an example I know it's scaled in real life)

what happens? well first off there are 2 kinds of people in this world those that don't want a hassle and those that will fight for every last dollar. in this system both people can exist ... those that don't want the hassle will just pay the ticket ... get a 200 dollar fine and they pay 200 dollars and get on with life. the result is a profit off thast one ticket (revenue of 200 dollars minus cop's salary that spent time delaying the suspect will still be a net profit but just for that ticket)

in this system more people can choice to be those that just don't want a hassle and plead guilty. in the other system more people will fight tooth and nail against it because most people arn't fond of a beating.

so those that don't want too much of a hassle are pleading guilty and getting on with life they are a net profit for the system. those that want to fight it out and go to court will still do so but now the cost of the court has to be factored in and in the end the ticket might be reduced fine thereby adding to the expense. they are still a net loss on the system. and eat up most of the profit from those that don't want the hassle. end result is a smaller net profit for the police.

well this small net profit from speeding gets rolled into paying for things like SWAT forces and working guns and cop cars and daily police budget needs... these expenses far outwiegh the profit created and therefore need money from another area.... that other place is Taxes. but do you see the difference between corporal and monetary punishments? the taxes are less in the monetary punishment system.

That means for Mr. goody two shoes that obeys the law he's happy because his taxes are lower. the no hassle guys while not happy about the ticket in the first place would be content with getting back to their lives. and the dudes that fight tooth and nail are happier (although still pissed about the ticket in the first place) because of a reduced ticket.

in the end I hope this shows that a Monetary system is cheaper on the general public, allows the police to enforce the law and while less fear instilling then corporal punishment, at least it helps fund other needed police services.

EL_Sport

Good mature answer, I guess maybe I should stereotype all Civic drivers as street racers then huh?

Anyhow, cops have been using regular vehicles for various undercover operations and whatnot for quite some time. I was once stopped and ticketed by one (rusted out Chev Beretta) after I got a little mad at the way they were driving (not realizing they were cops) and decided to tell them off. If this ever happens to you, you will think twice before you tell anyone off again, even though they may be driving like an idiot.

Brisk20

the weirdest unmarked I had ever seen was an extended side suburban... it was white and it was around the mississauga area... it was chasing someone at about 170 with the light flashin...

El_LoCo

I Got Pulled Over By a HighLander in Brampton! thats the only unmarked i have seen other than the reg. Crwn Vic's

blk93si

I've seen a blue Jeep Liberty in Mississauga

a white Yukon on 401/hwy 10 - OPP

the special R/T White Intrepids - Miss.

Mugen C

I saw the White Intrepids @ Mavis/Dundas Railway Underpass nearby the Crappy Tire on Saturday. The cop was using the triport Photo Radar Device.

Other "Unusual" Unmark car I've seen,

Milton & Burlington: Volvo S70
Guelph: Blue Chevy Blazer, Blue Yukon,
407: Jeep Cherokee

They all have very dark tints, no visible small Antenna...

Mugen C

kwikb16a2

EH_94_Civic i saw the blue taxi on the way home today from mohawk, it had tinted windows and the guy didnt fit the description of a taxi cab driver

imported_94EG6HB

I wonder if they are just paying the insurance on the book value of the caprice without the swap..

Wouldn't that be interesting if it wasn't reported..

That info should be publicly accessable..

Hmmmm..

punkindrublic

thats a very good point.... i highly doubt they are paying for a vette engine under the hood.... wonder if they do emisions testing on it as well

TauMax

Although I don't post much, I make up for it in the quality of my posts. I always try to promote open discussion.

You're missing my point.
What is the underlying reason for a stop sign?
1 .To regulate right of way at an intersection.
2. Protect pedestrians.

If speed is to be controlled, then why not post a speed limit? Like I said before, I believe that in certain instances, a rolling stop is permissible. Like when there are clear sightlines, so that you can see that there are no other approaching cars or no people waiting to cross the street.
I will always "roll" at stop signs if the conditions above are met. Coming to a complete stop is a complete waste of gas! To me, officers should consider the situation when a "offence" is committed and consider the spirit of the law instead of just issuing a ticket for something which is essentially a cash grab. I do not think cops are bad people, but I think that it is true that some of their so called law enforcement tactics are not to protect the public, but rather to make money.

Consider this, if it's late at night, and there are NO other cars in sight, and there are clear sight lines at the intersection, wouldn't it be stupid to idle there to wait for the light to change? Hell no, I'd
treat the intersection like a 4 way stop, check for clear passage, and then go.

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

I'm not attacking ur personal character or anything, but the reason for a stop sign is to stop nes pas?....definition of stopping is stopping.....lol u can't justify that......it'z the law....it'z like saying.....oh i didn't muder him....i just helped a bit by planning or providing him with the tools to murder....knowing full well what the consquence could be........aiding and abedding.......same goes with a stop sign.....u know what outcome could be if let'z say someone didn't have there headlights turned on...or if u quickly glanced and a pedestrian on a bike happened to zip by......the law is the law....it'z there for a reason....to protect all on the road........that'z my personal stance......everything has a reason.....or reasoning behind it.......except minicipal rd. by laws, which clearly are money making tools for ur own minicipality

Stop signs are put at intersections......lights are at intersections...where rds meet.......u have to make sure the way is totally clear before proceeding.....u don't know what's happening on all sides by just a breif scan.....u have to stop.....make sure the way is clear......for ur protection and others....

TauMax

I agree that dictionary defines STOP as complete stop.
Let me rephrase ... I think most stop signs should be replaced by yield signs...
So a complete stop isn't necessary for some situations.

Hmmm... When I roll, I go below 10 KPH... if the sightlines are clear, I believe I can see everything clearly... At night, I'm extra cautious... I guess if you're ( not you, but people in general ) don't want to scan ahead when driving, don't want to think, be alert, then stop signs are good... Some people don't even slow down, now that's dangerous...

Do you not make lane changes on the highway going at 100 KPH? Or do you need to come to a complete to stop see that the lane is clear before proceeding?

I've come to the revelation that most traffic regulations are meant for the lowest common denominator of driver skill. Pity...

No offence meant, or taken. Just discussing. =)

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

Agreed on all the above points......

Most traffic regulations are made for those crappy drivers.....lol that'z why ontario now has our graduated licensing system....to weed out total crap drivers.......but even they slip through the cracks....lol and that'z why we have those crappy stop signs....or traffic lights put up in stupid places.....i agree with ur points above now........