time to switch to winter tires again....
15-Oct-2007, 09:04 PM
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15-Oct-2007, 09:29 PM
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its true.. i have nitto invos for the summer.. grip awesome, but below about 10 degrees they get really hard and the ride is harsh, they also dont grip as well as when the pavement is warm
for the winter i have marangni meteo HP's, and they work awesome from 6C down.. however if it gets above 10C, they get too soft and the car feels weird..
tire choice is really important.. its your life depending on 4 little patches of rubber
for the winter i have marangni meteo HP's, and they work awesome from 6C down.. however if it gets above 10C, they get too soft and the car feels weird..
tire choice is really important.. its your life depending on 4 little patches of rubber
15-Oct-2007, 09:50 PM
#27
I've never switched to winters and don't plan on every doing so. All seasons work fine for me...I run steelies year round.
the only time it ever got close was when the tread had worn down to the wear bars and it started to slip a bit more than normal.
the only time it ever got close was when the tread had worn down to the wear bars and it started to slip a bit more than normal.
15-Oct-2007, 11:13 PM
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After studying very extensively on this subject, winter tires do help in winter conditions. As I see it, all season tires are designed to work with acceptable results with moderate weather conditions that occur throughout the year. As I understand it, some aspects like handling ice is replaced by handling slush..etc. etc. -- so in a sense, in order to handle one thing, another is compromised. So, depending on your driving style and habbits, an all season tire may suit your needs. However, winter tires and summer tires are specifically designed to handle extreme road conditions of each season. Again, they are 'specifically' designed for those season thus allowing them to cope with such conditions. I truly believe in seasonal tires. Tires are the only contact between you/the car and the road - if you drive a Ferrari and run on Motomaster tires, it ain't going anywhere fast...might even be dangerous. So, with that thought in mind, I believe having season specific tires designed to handle the situation should be number one on anyone's list. Doesn't matter if you drive carefully or you have a turbo, if you don't have traction when you need it, you'll still get into accidents and you still won't get enough traction. Granted, driving style does effect it's ability but, to be honest, if there is even an increase of 5%, it's 5% more of a reassurance that I won't get into a stressful situation.
16-Oct-2007, 03:21 PM
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IMO I don't know why people 'cheap out' when it comes to tires... you can mod your car all you want to be fast, handle better, whatever, but the tires are the only part of the car that touch the road. all those mods are useless if you have ****ty tires...
once you've driven with winter tires you'll never go back, until then it's easy to convince yourself that your tires are fine in the snow... and they probably are FINE... but if you want them to be better than just FINE, and maybe help you avoid an accident or two then you have to pay a bit for it. IMO it's totally worth it.
once you've driven with winter tires you'll never go back, until then it's easy to convince yourself that your tires are fine in the snow... and they probably are FINE... but if you want them to be better than just FINE, and maybe help you avoid an accident or two then you have to pay a bit for it. IMO it's totally worth it.
16-Oct-2007, 03:30 PM
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IMO I don't know why people 'cheap out' when it comes to tires... you can mod your car all you want to be fast, handle better, whatever, but the tires are the only part of the car that touch the road. all those mods are useless if you have ****ty tires...
once you've driven with winter tires you'll never go back, until then it's easy to convince yourself that your tires are fine in the snow... and they probably are FINE... but if you want them to be better than just FINE, and maybe help you avoid an accident or two then you have to pay a bit for it. IMO it's totally worth it.
once you've driven with winter tires you'll never go back, until then it's easy to convince yourself that your tires are fine in the snow... and they probably are FINE... but if you want them to be better than just FINE, and maybe help you avoid an accident or two then you have to pay a bit for it. IMO it's totally worth it.
Hmmm, because they're STUPID expensive..... No I'm not saying you shouldn't change, I'm saying you should.
The reason 80% of the population doesn't is because they don't see the need to pay an extra 200$ per tire for like a month or 2 of snow. Add the price of steelies on that if you have don't use the same wheels.
As for me, last winter I put them on after realizing my car couldn't make it up hills. This year I won't ever put them on because I wrecked them in a crash and my current car will never leave the garage
16-Oct-2007, 03:45 PM
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Hmmm, because they're STUPID expensive..... No I'm not saying you shouldn't change, I'm saying you should.
The reason 80% of the population doesn't is because they don't see the need to pay an extra 200$ per tire for like a month or 2 of snow. Add the price of steelies on that if you have don't use the same wheels.
As for me, last winter I put them on after realizing my car couldn't make it up hills. This year I won't ever put them on because I wrecked them in a crash and my current car will never leave the garage
The reason 80% of the population doesn't is because they don't see the need to pay an extra 200$ per tire for like a month or 2 of snow. Add the price of steelies on that if you have don't use the same wheels.
As for me, last winter I put them on after realizing my car couldn't make it up hills. This year I won't ever put them on because I wrecked them in a crash and my current car will never leave the garage
I guess it also depends on how much you drive... but I enjoy being able to drive properly in the winter and not like a grandma.
They've also saved my *** a few times, so I know that I owe them a lot (maybe even my life) !
16-Oct-2007, 04:15 PM
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IMO I don't know why people 'cheap out' when it comes to tires... you can mod your car all you want to be fast, handle better, whatever, but the tires are the only part of the car that touch the road. all those mods are useless if you have ****ty tires...
once you've driven with winter tires you'll never go back, until then it's easy to convince yourself that your tires are fine in the snow... and they probably are FINE... but if you want them to be better than just FINE, and maybe help you avoid an accident or two then you have to pay a bit for it. IMO it's totally worth it.
once you've driven with winter tires you'll never go back, until then it's easy to convince yourself that your tires are fine in the snow... and they probably are FINE... but if you want them to be better than just FINE, and maybe help you avoid an accident or two then you have to pay a bit for it. IMO it's totally worth it.
One day back in 2005 when I was living at an apt building complex and people was spinning their tires up hills and not getting anywhere and then you have people coming down the hill sideways...it was a mess. I got the nerve to go to work that day and wouldn't you know it, not a problem at all with the tractions on the ice and snow going up and down that hill b/c I have winter tires.
16-Oct-2007, 05:45 PM
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Winter tires are the way to go. I've got Toyo Observe, and there is no comparison to all seasons when winter driving. As careful as a driver you can be in the winter, how are you going to know the guy coming at you has bald all seasons until it's too late? With winters you at least have a change to stop or get out of the way.
To get winters it is more expensive, but I don't think it’s as much as people think. OK you need to buy winter rims, but compare how long using a set of winters and a set of summers will last you vs. two sets of all seasons.
For me it was the initial investment that was hard to swallow. But over time, it's not that expensive as you think.
To get winters it is more expensive, but I don't think it’s as much as people think. OK you need to buy winter rims, but compare how long using a set of winters and a set of summers will last you vs. two sets of all seasons.
For me it was the initial investment that was hard to swallow. But over time, it's not that expensive as you think.
16-Oct-2007, 05:53 PM
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my snow tires are already on over here in Vancouver. not cuz it's going to snow soon, but the temps at nite are dropping and it's starting to rain a lot more as well.
on top of that, i'd like to save my RT615 tires so the snows are doing just that rite now. it dumped a lot here last year in Van (probably nothing for you TO peeps!) and i loved having the snows..they do make a difference over all-seasons.
on top of that, i'd like to save my RT615 tires so the snows are doing just that rite now. it dumped a lot here last year in Van (probably nothing for you TO peeps!) and i loved having the snows..they do make a difference over all-seasons.
