so you say street racers HOW ABOUT DRUNK DRIVERS?
12-Jul-2007, 03:21 PM
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I dont care what anyone says, if you think street racing is as big a problem as drunk driving, you need to get your head out of your ***. The media and politicians have blown the whole thing way out of proportion, most of the recent deaths have been due to aggressive driving. I know people who drink every week and then hop into their car and drive, heck I bet we all know people who do this.
Do I think its feasible to have some sort of RIDE on richmond? You better well believe I do and I dont give a crap about the problems something like that would create congestion wise. We know the root of the problem is at places like these clubs/pubs etc so have police there every friday and saturday night, there is tons of money to be made when all these idiots get booked for DUI not to mention once people see whats happening virtually noone with half a brain is going to attempt to drive home from there drunk and therefore for the most part a huge problem is solved
Do I think its feasible to have some sort of RIDE on richmond? You better well believe I do and I dont give a crap about the problems something like that would create congestion wise. We know the root of the problem is at places like these clubs/pubs etc so have police there every friday and saturday night, there is tons of money to be made when all these idiots get booked for DUI not to mention once people see whats happening virtually noone with half a brain is going to attempt to drive home from there drunk and therefore for the most part a huge problem is solved
12-Jul-2007, 04:21 PM
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I've been stopped by ride on adelaide at 10pm going to the club...cop asked us if we have had anything to drink and I said from the passenger seat "nope, not yet but in about 15min all that will be taken care of"
the thing many of yall need to learn is that loitering at tim hortons where people are known to street race from is gonna get you hassled...like I said before "hang out at a crackhouse, get treated like a crackhead"
the cops around my work constantly harass the patrons of my club day in and day out for drunk driving or suspicion of...bun everybody!
the thing many of yall need to learn is that loitering at tim hortons where people are known to street race from is gonna get you hassled...like I said before "hang out at a crackhouse, get treated like a crackhead"
the cops around my work constantly harass the patrons of my club day in and day out for drunk driving or suspicion of...bun everybody!
12-Jul-2007, 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by sol2nv
but see we are not saying dont punish the street racers we are saying that ok if your gonna go all out for the street racers go all out for the drunk drivers why are they being racist jus cuz my car looks a certian way
but see we are not saying dont punish the street racers we are saying that ok if your gonna go all out for the street racers go all out for the drunk drivers why are they being racist jus cuz my car looks a certian way
ever heard the saying: walk like a duck, talk like a duck...
everyone complains about this and that, suck it up. if you walked into a bank all hooded up with your hand in your pocket figiting and stuff, even though your not doing anything, what would be a logical conclusion? think about it.
drunk driving got just as much media attention, i remember in the past when the laws were getting stricter and it was all over the news, now it's just something different, in a couple weeks it'll be back to gang crack downs, 2 weeks after that it'll be back to debit/credit card fraud. Everything gets it 2 min of fame, you dont think the guys in jane and finch or malvern got harrassed for doing nothing during that period of time? you dont see them crying on the internet. grow up.
12-Jul-2007, 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by sol2nv
yeah well what a dumb post have u read nothing in this? we are not saying to stop goin after street racers im simply saying that drunk drivers get off too easy i have 2 buddies of mine close to me that have died because of drinkin and driving and they were the ones that didnt drink and then the media is complian about 38 deaths in street racing come on how about my buddies that died from drinkin and driving the guy is still driving like wheres the balance is all im trying to say.........and perfect example is this article the driver cause bodily harm before while driving drunk and hes still driving drunk but no one crushed his car....also its not what the media wants us to think i havent been stopped in ride since i was 16 and it was on englinton and royal york who the **** drinks there, there is no bars around if cops wanted to do an efford of gettin drunk drivers off the road they could have by sendin the msg we will be there with ride on richmond street.
yeah well what a dumb post have u read nothing in this? we are not saying to stop goin after street racers im simply saying that drunk drivers get off too easy i have 2 buddies of mine close to me that have died because of drinkin and driving and they were the ones that didnt drink and then the media is complian about 38 deaths in street racing come on how about my buddies that died from drinkin and driving the guy is still driving like wheres the balance is all im trying to say.........and perfect example is this article the driver cause bodily harm before while driving drunk and hes still driving drunk but no one crushed his car....also its not what the media wants us to think i havent been stopped in ride since i was 16 and it was on englinton and royal york who the **** drinks there, there is no bars around if cops wanted to do an efford of gettin drunk drivers off the road they could have by sendin the msg we will be there with ride on richmond street.
12-Jul-2007, 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by luke11
stop crying. if you dont street race you have nothing to worry about, and if you dont drink and drive you have nothing to worry about.
stop crying. if you dont street race you have nothing to worry about, and if you dont drink and drive you have nothing to worry about.
Do you think the mother of that boy (or even the boy) drink and drive?
So if they don't...that means they have nothing to worry about?
You're an idiot.
This women is dead and you think people who don't do this thing shouldn't worry.
Yah maybe they shouldn't worry about being caught.
But you sure as hell should worry about being ****ing killed by someone doing it.
12-Jul-2007, 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by roll_outz
If U Street race do it in a right place.If U drunk take the TAxi. Simple...
If U Street race do it in a right place.If U drunk take the TAxi. Simple...
The only right place for racing is the track.
I don't understand what you guys want... if you want a bigger focus on drunk driving why even bring street racing into the equation??
You guys are comparing the two why??
You're mad that cops are judging you based on the look of your car... well tough beans if you don't like it make your car stock. We all know full well what kind of extra attention modifying our cars - especially the exterior - will bring us. You get people looking at your car cuz they think it's t3h h0tn3$$ and then you get cops looking at your car cuz you think it's a street racer...
12-Jul-2007, 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by Kingjames1983
The whole argument is they shouldnot put the emphasis on street racers when there are bigger problems at hand...
The whole argument is they shouldnot put the emphasis on street racers when there are bigger problems at hand...
This is the reason they're doing what they're doing tell me if this makes sense -
Right now pretty much EVERYONE knows that drunk driving is bad, drunk driving kills, etc etc... right? thanks to agencies like MADD etc.
Does that knowledge stop people from driving drunk? no - just like knowing that you get life in jail for murder doesn't stop people from killing. That's common knowledge.
However, believe it or not not everyone knows about the dangers of street racing. Just like that guy with the genius post 'you should street race in a right place'.. there's lots more people with that opinion out there.
This is the problem.
This is what they are trying to fix.
You might not have that opinion personally, but there are tons of douches out there that share his 'wisdom'.
As a public service (the police) they have to react when there is a rash of anything... if you have a rash of burglaries in an area then you set up a neighbourhood watch, increase police presence, etc.
If you have a rash of gun killings (as we did a yr or so ago) you increase awareness of the danger of guns, let people turn them in without any criminal consequence etc...
If you have a rash of street racing accidents/death as we have as of late (and don't give me blah blah blah it was only 8 people - that 40 yr old that died with 4 kids, or the cabbie that died last yr or whoever all had a family and kids to go home to even just 1 death is unacceptable) then they have to 'crack down' on street racing.
I don't get why everyone is all up in arms over being singled out cuz of the way your car looks. If you have all legal parts on your car, and you don't speed, WTF do you have to be worried about? That a cop might look at you twice? Might pull you over to check your car?
You might lose 20 minutes of your life?
I feel like the people that got killed cuz of dumb *** street racers lost a tiny bit more than 20 min of their day. They lost their lives.
12-Jul-2007, 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by SilverSiG
So they should just ignore street racing?
This is the reason they're doing what they're doing tell me if this makes sense -
Right now pretty much EVERYONE knows that drunk driving is bad, drunk driving kills, etc etc... right? thanks to agencies like MADD etc.
Does that knowledge stop people from driving drunk? no - just like knowing that you get life in jail for murder doesn't stop people from killing. That's common knowledge.
However, believe it or not not everyone knows about the dangers of street racing. Just like that guy with the genius post 'you should street race in a right place'.. there's lots more people with that opinion out there.
This is the problem.
This is what they are trying to fix.
You might not have that opinion personally, but there are tons of douches out there that share his 'wisdom'.
As a public service (the police) they have to react when there is a rash of anything... if you have a rash of burglaries in an area then you set up a neighbourhood watch, increase police presence, etc.
If you have a rash of gun killings (as we did a yr or so ago) you increase awareness of the danger of guns, let people turn them in without any criminal consequence etc...
If you have a rash of street racing accidents/death as we have as of late (and don't give me blah blah blah it was only 8 people - that 40 yr old that died with 4 kids, or the cabbie that died last yr or whoever all had a family and kids to go home to even just 1 death is unacceptable) then they have to 'crack down' on street racing.
I don't get why everyone is all up in arms over being singled out cuz of the way your car looks. If you have all legal parts on your car, and you don't speed, WTF do you have to be worried about? That a cop might look at you twice? Might pull you over to check your car?
You might lose 20 minutes of your life?
I feel like the people that got killed cuz of dumb *** street racers lost a tiny bit more than 20 min of their day. They lost their lives.
So they should just ignore street racing?
This is the reason they're doing what they're doing tell me if this makes sense -
Right now pretty much EVERYONE knows that drunk driving is bad, drunk driving kills, etc etc... right? thanks to agencies like MADD etc.
Does that knowledge stop people from driving drunk? no - just like knowing that you get life in jail for murder doesn't stop people from killing. That's common knowledge.
However, believe it or not not everyone knows about the dangers of street racing. Just like that guy with the genius post 'you should street race in a right place'.. there's lots more people with that opinion out there.
This is the problem.
This is what they are trying to fix.
You might not have that opinion personally, but there are tons of douches out there that share his 'wisdom'.
As a public service (the police) they have to react when there is a rash of anything... if you have a rash of burglaries in an area then you set up a neighbourhood watch, increase police presence, etc.
If you have a rash of gun killings (as we did a yr or so ago) you increase awareness of the danger of guns, let people turn them in without any criminal consequence etc...
If you have a rash of street racing accidents/death as we have as of late (and don't give me blah blah blah it was only 8 people - that 40 yr old that died with 4 kids, or the cabbie that died last yr or whoever all had a family and kids to go home to even just 1 death is unacceptable) then they have to 'crack down' on street racing.
I don't get why everyone is all up in arms over being singled out cuz of the way your car looks. If you have all legal parts on your car, and you don't speed, WTF do you have to be worried about? That a cop might look at you twice? Might pull you over to check your car?
You might lose 20 minutes of your life?
I feel like the people that got killed cuz of dumb *** street racers lost a tiny bit more than 20 min of their day. They lost their lives.
12-Jul-2007, 11:46 PM
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How about both of them....lol
There are lots of people who have never street raced though, not everyone does it. I know personally I have never street raced..=D nor driven drunk.
Lets just take care of both of them.. lol (if this has been said, my bad but I didnt go through a lot of this thread)
There are lots of people who have never street raced though, not everyone does it. I know personally I have never street raced..=D nor driven drunk.
Lets just take care of both of them.. lol (if this has been said, my bad but I didnt go through a lot of this thread)
13-Jul-2007, 12:41 AM
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As previously mentioned, if there's nothing illegal, then there shouldn't be anything to worry about.
Imho, it's good that there are programs out there that do their best to reduce the number of drunk drivers, street racers, etc...if it makes the roads safer, it's worth it--no matter if the number of lives saved is large or small. In a similar way, I have no problem going through customs or other checks at the airport, if it makes air travel safer, etc.
Perhaps some view the system as imperfect--that it doesn't meet the criteria everyone feels it should, equally. Whether or not that's true is not for me to say. But, if the life of just one person is saved by the measures taken, then really, its value is intrinsically apparent.
Imho, it's good that there are programs out there that do their best to reduce the number of drunk drivers, street racers, etc...if it makes the roads safer, it's worth it--no matter if the number of lives saved is large or small. In a similar way, I have no problem going through customs or other checks at the airport, if it makes air travel safer, etc.
Perhaps some view the system as imperfect--that it doesn't meet the criteria everyone feels it should, equally. Whether or not that's true is not for me to say. But, if the life of just one person is saved by the measures taken, then really, its value is intrinsically apparent.
13-Jul-2007, 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by SilverSiG
This damn post is exactly the problem that we have today.
The only right place for racing is the track.
I don't understand what you guys want... if you want a bigger focus on drunk driving why even bring street racing into the equation??
You guys are comparing the two why??
You're mad that cops are judging you based on the look of your car... well tough beans if you don't like it make your car stock. We all know full well what kind of extra attention modifying our cars - especially the exterior - will bring us. You get people looking at your car cuz they think it's t3h h0tn3$$ and then you get cops looking at your car cuz you think it's a street racer...
This damn post is exactly the problem that we have today.
The only right place for racing is the track.
I don't understand what you guys want... if you want a bigger focus on drunk driving why even bring street racing into the equation??
You guys are comparing the two why??
You're mad that cops are judging you based on the look of your car... well tough beans if you don't like it make your car stock. We all know full well what kind of extra attention modifying our cars - especially the exterior - will bring us. You get people looking at your car cuz they think it's t3h h0tn3$$ and then you get cops looking at your car cuz you think it's a street racer...
Just a thought.
But he could have meant go to the track.
As in the right place.
He may have just been a bit vague about it and not actually said track.
13-Jul-2007, 08:25 AM
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i think a lot of what people are worried about is the action that has been threatened "based on perception" when Bryant farted out his mouth with his "even if it looks like it might be a street race car it's gonna get crushed"..
are they threatening the same results for DDs?
guess they're not so worried about DD after all that they won't enforce the same penalties
comments like Bryant's have made people react, and not in the best of ways (i'm sure i posted that a couple of weeks back)
that's like saying everyone that i) drinks and ii) owns a car is a drunk driver
k, that ain't gonna happen..we all know that
so remove the same threats against modded cars
when you catch someone, fine, bust their ***...just as you do to a DUI (harder actually, i know of a few that have gotten the 6 weeks or weekends and a little suspension for good measure)
when you catch someone for murder, same deal
least i think that's how it's been done for the past 200 or so years...innocent until proven guilty
and what..??
this is one of those cases where profiling is okay??
i swear i heard a lot (A LOT!!!!) of complaining a couple of years back about that same issue...
i guess if the spotlight's not on you this time it's different?
are they threatening the same results for DDs?
guess they're not so worried about DD after all that they won't enforce the same penalties
comments like Bryant's have made people react, and not in the best of ways (i'm sure i posted that a couple of weeks back)
that's like saying everyone that i) drinks and ii) owns a car is a drunk driver
k, that ain't gonna happen..we all know that
so remove the same threats against modded cars
when you catch someone, fine, bust their ***...just as you do to a DUI (harder actually, i know of a few that have gotten the 6 weeks or weekends and a little suspension for good measure)
when you catch someone for murder, same deal
least i think that's how it's been done for the past 200 or so years...innocent until proven guilty
and what..??
this is one of those cases where profiling is okay??
i swear i heard a lot (A LOT!!!!) of complaining a couple of years back about that same issue...
i guess if the spotlight's not on you this time it's different?
13-Jul-2007, 08:35 AM
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basically all i want is to treat the drunk drivers the same this story front page is perfect example if he gets dui he will still get in a car and drive and for what its worth drunk but yet as soon as we are suspected of having a modded civic they can crush my car thats jus stupid that is the only thing im complianing about...this guy already caused bodily harm and hes behind the wheel drunk AGIAN either way its sad that cops then have to learn to take his licence away when someone dies.
13-Jul-2007, 08:45 AM
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something i read in the news today
Experts estimate as many as four people a day lose their lives to drunk driving (See "Drunk Driving By The Numbers", below). For the folks at Mothers Against Drunk Driving Canada
But the problem is already critical - impaired driving is the number one criminal cause of death in this country. Most of those charged have consumed a lot of alcohol in a short period of time
Experts estimate as many as four people a day lose their lives to drunk driving (See "Drunk Driving By The Numbers", below). For the folks at Mothers Against Drunk Driving Canada
But the problem is already critical - impaired driving is the number one criminal cause of death in this country. Most of those charged have consumed a lot of alcohol in a short period of time
13-Jul-2007, 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by SilverSiG
So they should just ignore street racing?
This is the reason they're doing what they're doing tell me if this makes sense -
Right now pretty much EVERYONE knows that drunk driving is bad, drunk driving kills, etc etc... right? thanks to agencies like MADD etc.
Does that knowledge stop people from driving drunk? no - just like knowing that you get life in jail for murder doesn't stop people from killing. That's common knowledge.
However, believe it or not not everyone knows about the dangers of street racing. Just like that guy with the genius post 'you should street race in a right place'.. there's lots more people with that opinion out there.
This is the problem.
This is what they are trying to fix.
You might not have that opinion personally, but there are tons of douches out there that share his 'wisdom'.
As a public service (the police) they have to react when there is a rash of anything... if you have a rash of burglaries in an area then you set up a neighbourhood watch, increase police presence, etc.
If you have a rash of gun killings (as we did a yr or so ago) you increase awareness of the danger of guns, let people turn them in without any criminal consequence etc...
If you have a rash of street racing accidents/death as we have as of late (and don't give me blah blah blah it was only 8 people - that 40 yr old that died with 4 kids, or the cabbie that died last yr or whoever all had a family and kids to go home to even just 1 death is unacceptable) then they have to 'crack down' on street racing.
I don't get why everyone is all up in arms over being singled out cuz of the way your car looks. If you have all legal parts on your car, and you don't speed, WTF do you have to be worried about? That a cop might look at you twice? Might pull you over to check your car?
You might lose 20 minutes of your life?
I feel like the people that got killed cuz of dumb *** street racers lost a tiny bit more than 20 min of their day. They lost their lives.
So they should just ignore street racing?
This is the reason they're doing what they're doing tell me if this makes sense -
Right now pretty much EVERYONE knows that drunk driving is bad, drunk driving kills, etc etc... right? thanks to agencies like MADD etc.
Does that knowledge stop people from driving drunk? no - just like knowing that you get life in jail for murder doesn't stop people from killing. That's common knowledge.
However, believe it or not not everyone knows about the dangers of street racing. Just like that guy with the genius post 'you should street race in a right place'.. there's lots more people with that opinion out there.
This is the problem.
This is what they are trying to fix.
You might not have that opinion personally, but there are tons of douches out there that share his 'wisdom'.
As a public service (the police) they have to react when there is a rash of anything... if you have a rash of burglaries in an area then you set up a neighbourhood watch, increase police presence, etc.
If you have a rash of gun killings (as we did a yr or so ago) you increase awareness of the danger of guns, let people turn them in without any criminal consequence etc...
If you have a rash of street racing accidents/death as we have as of late (and don't give me blah blah blah it was only 8 people - that 40 yr old that died with 4 kids, or the cabbie that died last yr or whoever all had a family and kids to go home to even just 1 death is unacceptable) then they have to 'crack down' on street racing.
I don't get why everyone is all up in arms over being singled out cuz of the way your car looks. If you have all legal parts on your car, and you don't speed, WTF do you have to be worried about? That a cop might look at you twice? Might pull you over to check your car?
You might lose 20 minutes of your life?
I feel like the people that got killed cuz of dumb *** street racers lost a tiny bit more than 20 min of their day. They lost their lives.
My point being is that TOO much emphasis is not street racing right now. Note the TOO part. The should still be concerned about it because there are a lot of dumbass people who do dumbass things. But for Bryant and other higher politicans to make that there focal point in every address is just stupid. Its clear the only reason why he is doing this is because elections are around the corner and its easy to pursaude the typical person who is uneducated in this topic. the example of this is evident by him pointing out modified cars when the past few incidents to bring this subject to light did not involve highly modified cars but yet involved young drivers (recent grads) with of the line cars.
Drunk drivers was suggest because many more people are effected by it and its obviously much more of a problem. But all this extra time and effort lately could be devoted to something else such as getting drunk drivers off the road and maybe that woman and her son could have been spared. But now we have a dead mom and a kid, if he lives will never have a mom.
And my car looks stock from the outside I have no problems with the police.
13-Jul-2007, 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by chrisk20
I know people who drink every week and then hop into their car and drive, heck I bet we all know people who do this.
I know people who drink every week and then hop into their car and drive, heck I bet we all know people who do this.
You all claim not enough is being done to curb drunk driving, yet you do nothing yourselves..
13-Jul-2007, 09:28 AM
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Last night around midnight on Highway 7 west bound, I saw a white van (from Keele until I passed it after Martin Grove) driving in the fast lane (abide to limit) but would brake when not called for, and zig-zag in its own lane.
Cars around it then started to ****** and kept a distance. I watched the van for a good couple blocks then I came to the conclusion that the man was either drunk, or too tired to drive.
As I passed him, I honked - as a kind reminder that "hey man, wake up if you are too tired to drive!"
I then looked at its front lights from my rear view mirror. The van moved from left to right without signaling, and forced a 18 wheeler to move out of the way and eventually passed it.
Cars around it then started to ****** and kept a distance. I watched the van for a good couple blocks then I came to the conclusion that the man was either drunk, or too tired to drive.
As I passed him, I honked - as a kind reminder that "hey man, wake up if you are too tired to drive!"
I then looked at its front lights from my rear view mirror. The van moved from left to right without signaling, and forced a 18 wheeler to move out of the way and eventually passed it.
13-Jul-2007, 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by ERTW
If you think that drinking and driving is such a huge problem, why not call 911 and report a drunk driver?
You all claim not enough is being done to curb drunk driving, yet you do nothing yourselves..
If you think that drinking and driving is such a huge problem, why not call 911 and report a drunk driver?
You all claim not enough is being done to curb drunk driving, yet you do nothing yourselves..
Try growing up with someone who drinks and drives and then let me know if you would call the cops on your only means of transportation... a lot of kids are in that situation and dont have a choice.
