Race Track plans paving costs etc...
15-Aug-2008, 08:13 AM
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Race Track plans paving costs etc...
I know I may get ripped on for this, but a guy can dream right? lol
Long story short, I plan on eventually building a small-ish race track somewhere north of toronto, sometime before I die...
Something like slightly scaled down version of Tsukuba circuit in japan only with a few added extra surprises, like an optional carousel corner from nurburgring and a double apex corner.
I plan on building it on a fairly flat chunk of land to keep the costs down and it would probably be a private track only, not for use of major autoracing clubs or organizations. It would also be in the middle of nowhere, away from any civilization.
Also I realize I'd have to contract out the work to be done (working the land, bringing in the materials and paving). Some of this work I could do myself.
If anyone has any experience in paving costs, what do you think this would cost to build?
Thanks.
Long story short, I plan on eventually building a small-ish race track somewhere north of toronto, sometime before I die...
Something like slightly scaled down version of Tsukuba circuit in japan only with a few added extra surprises, like an optional carousel corner from nurburgring and a double apex corner.
I plan on building it on a fairly flat chunk of land to keep the costs down and it would probably be a private track only, not for use of major autoracing clubs or organizations. It would also be in the middle of nowhere, away from any civilization.
Also I realize I'd have to contract out the work to be done (working the land, bringing in the materials and paving). Some of this work I could do myself.
If anyone has any experience in paving costs, what do you think this would cost to build?
Thanks.
Last edited by MPR; 15-Aug-2008 at 09:11 AM.
15-Aug-2008, 09:36 AM
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Some more specific details:
There would be:
-no buildings (only a paved off-track paddock/parking lot area)
-no sitting area for spectators
-concrete barriers with tire-walls only where needed (cars can spin out onto the grass...big woop. lol)
-no paint lines needed
-very little or no elevation changes
-a shed with fire extinguishers and othe necessary safety equipment
-no rumble strips needed
It would be out in the country on some dirt road, just a field with a paved track. Basically a test track for personal use with a timing system, 2.5 to 3 lanes wide and maybe 1 to 1.5km long max.
I know it will cost alot, but I'm serious about it and you never know. Might run into some money or someone with money in the future.
Can always make it a rallycross track for now (dirt and gravel) which would cost next to nothing and have it paved up in the future.
There would be:
-no buildings (only a paved off-track paddock/parking lot area)
-no sitting area for spectators
-concrete barriers with tire-walls only where needed (cars can spin out onto the grass...big woop. lol)
-no paint lines needed
-very little or no elevation changes
-a shed with fire extinguishers and othe necessary safety equipment
-no rumble strips needed
It would be out in the country on some dirt road, just a field with a paved track. Basically a test track for personal use with a timing system, 2.5 to 3 lanes wide and maybe 1 to 1.5km long max.
I know it will cost alot, but I'm serious about it and you never know. Might run into some money or someone with money in the future.
Can always make it a rallycross track for now (dirt and gravel) which would cost next to nothing and have it paved up in the future.
15-Aug-2008, 10:22 AM
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Asphalt paving for heavy duty purpose should range from $50 to $100 per square meter (or eve more). The bigger the surface, the easier it is because you can use machine rather than pure labour. But with the price of oil increase, asphalt will go up but the larger the quantity, the more you save.
For a huge land, big enough for track would most likely be brown field - cheap farm lands up north. It is most likely be filled with topsoil which is not suitable for hard surface, so you will have to excavate to the right depth and replace it with engineered fill, granular material then pave the top. To have a solid base is the first step for a long lasting asphalt surface for years to come. Since you own the land, you can afford to have topsoil kept on site because trucking off material costs money. But if it is good topsoil, not contaminated, you may get some money for it.
Zoning is another thing, it can be done, but takes time. Since it is a private property, you will be responsible for certain aspect of the game, but won't cover all of it. You will need a good lawyer to draft up the guide lines.
As for the track itself, topography change is a good feature, you should think about that. Too flat can be boring at times. I would say start with a land purchase up north first and develop the track in stages. It can be done, but definitely not easy.
For a huge land, big enough for track would most likely be brown field - cheap farm lands up north. It is most likely be filled with topsoil which is not suitable for hard surface, so you will have to excavate to the right depth and replace it with engineered fill, granular material then pave the top. To have a solid base is the first step for a long lasting asphalt surface for years to come. Since you own the land, you can afford to have topsoil kept on site because trucking off material costs money. But if it is good topsoil, not contaminated, you may get some money for it.
Zoning is another thing, it can be done, but takes time. Since it is a private property, you will be responsible for certain aspect of the game, but won't cover all of it. You will need a good lawyer to draft up the guide lines.
As for the track itself, topography change is a good feature, you should think about that. Too flat can be boring at times. I would say start with a land purchase up north first and develop the track in stages. It can be done, but definitely not easy.
15-Aug-2008, 10:59 AM
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Asphalt paving for heavy duty purpose should range from $50 to $100 per square meter (or eve more). The bigger the surface, the easier it is because you can use machine rather than pure labour. But with the price of oil increase, asphalt will go up but the larger the quantity, the more you save.
For a huge land, big enough for track would most likely be brown field - cheap farm lands up north. It is most likely be filled with topsoil which is not suitable for hard surface, so you will have to excavate to the right depth and replace it with engineered fill, granular material then pave the top. To have a solid base is the first step for a long lasting asphalt surface for years to come. Since you own the land, you can afford to have topsoil kept on site because trucking off material costs money. But if it is good topsoil, not contaminated, you may get some money for it.
Zoning is another thing, it can be done, but takes time. Since it is a private property, you will be responsible for certain aspect of the game, but won't cover all of it. You will need a good lawyer to draft up the guide lines.
As for the track itself, topography change is a good feature, you should think about that. Too flat can be boring at times. I would say start with a land purchase up north first and develop the track in stages. It can be done, but definitely not easy.
For a huge land, big enough for track would most likely be brown field - cheap farm lands up north. It is most likely be filled with topsoil which is not suitable for hard surface, so you will have to excavate to the right depth and replace it with engineered fill, granular material then pave the top. To have a solid base is the first step for a long lasting asphalt surface for years to come. Since you own the land, you can afford to have topsoil kept on site because trucking off material costs money. But if it is good topsoil, not contaminated, you may get some money for it.
Zoning is another thing, it can be done, but takes time. Since it is a private property, you will be responsible for certain aspect of the game, but won't cover all of it. You will need a good lawyer to draft up the guide lines.
As for the track itself, topography change is a good feature, you should think about that. Too flat can be boring at times. I would say start with a land purchase up north first and develop the track in stages. It can be done, but definitely not easy.
I agree a track with elevation changes would be alot more fun, but I'm assuming that paving hills (like at mosport) would be more expensive. This is also going to be a very small track, est. middle to top of 3rd gear on the straight for a typical 150hp car. Est. lap times of 30-40 sec incorporating a hair-pin, double apex corner, and a highspeed opening bend to straight mimicking the last turn to straight section of the tsukuba circuit.
I guess it would all come down to the land. The elevations, soil type, location, accessibility, etc...
Just trying to put the idea out there, see what ppl think.
Thanks for the support guys!
15-Aug-2008, 01:34 PM
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Shannonville full/long track is 4km and is an average 2:10 minute track for most guys, with sub 200hp cars. If your future track is only 30 seconds, it is going to be a really small track, or a track that won't have too much technical aspect, I am guessing.
15-Aug-2008, 02:07 PM
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Plus I love the volvo.
It won't need attendance, as I said before, it will not be for public use.
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15-Aug-2008, 02:17 PM
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yah but how cheap? how much land are you going to need.. i doubt you'll be able to find land for less $300 000 and thats probably in the middle of absolute nowhere....
whats the point of having the track if you one else will be allowed to attend?
for the 20-30 times you'll use it in the summer?
15-Aug-2008, 02:29 PM
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The track would include, as I've stated before, various technical sections such as double-apex, hairpin, highspeed bend, S-bend and a decent straight to get at least to the top of 3rd in a sub 200hp car. You don't need 4kms to do that. Just have to be smart about the layout. Also it would be for mainly testing and personal use. I'm not planning on having the Canadian drift nationals competing there or anything like that.
Would it be possible for you to draft up a track layout with overall length? Maybe ask some of the track owners (SMP, Mosport, Dunville... etc) and ask them what type of track can be fun and be done in 30 to 40 seconds and how big of a land would you need?
15-Aug-2008, 10:22 PM
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a 30 second track? hahahahaha mario kart tracks are longer than that...how are u gonna incorporate technical aspects in to a 30second track thats suitable for a full size car? its basically gonna be a glorified auto-x without pylons
16-Aug-2008, 05:34 PM
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i like the idea, but the cost can be significant. it all depends on how good you wanna make it. when i see roads being built, it looks like they excavate about 2 feet below grade and build it back up in packed gravel, then pave over that, usually what looks like 2 inches of asphalt. alternatively, i guess you can just skip the excavation and just run on 4-6 inches of packed gravel on undisturbed land, but then when you get shifting of the landscape (which always happens due to settling/erosion and whatnot) the track will crack. in your case, i'd look to purchase an old airstrip or something similar, it'd be cheaper and the basic infastructure would likely already be in place - like an old regional airport.
