Peel Regional Police P.A.C.E.R. Program
23-Apr-2003, 05:52 PM
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Peel Regional Police P.A.C.E.R. Program
I'm not sure if you guyz know about this site, or this program that the peel regional police have started. . .but haha isn't it funny there lead car is a civic sir '03....haha anyway back on topic....yah...they basically target any car with a mod on it.....and stare it down . . .sometimes they are helpful though.....but i'm taking it most of the time...they like to lay down tickets . . check the site out for yourselves
www.pacer.ca
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23-Apr-2003, 06:22 PM
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damn their website needs work ... other then that I think the pacer program should take a hint from Sask. and do what they did build more and convenient tracks to go to and people would not street race I don't agree with one article there that highlighted street racing scenes and for Toronto pointed out an event where a SUV struck and killed a person. I think that the SUV was probably just speeding when it lost control and probably wasn't involved in a street race (since it was just after school at the time and I doubt anyone was out being stupid in plain daylight) ohhh well street racing is wrong you want fun hit a solo2 competition
23-Apr-2003, 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by gatherer
(since it was just after school at the time and I doubt anyone was out being stupid in plain daylight)
(since it was just after school at the time and I doubt anyone was out being stupid in plain daylight)
i think pacer is doing what they can with what they have..
i disagree with a lot of the comments furthur up also, pacer was designed to educate, and with what resources they have i think they've tried..
they're not the ones handing out tickets, the street cops are doing that..if it was just pacer we'd be hearing a lot less about "blue light/tinting/exhaust" tickets, firstly because pacer does know the HTA and again due to their limitations..
23-Apr-2003, 07:24 PM
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ok your right marty people are out being stupid at all times of the day ... however I just don't see a SUV street racing ...I might just be niave though...
and yes I understand PACERS goal is to edumacte people into taking it to the track... however I think education and logigistics should be opened up at bit here ... while street racing is plain stupid in my opinion and taking it too the track is a great Idea ... what track should they take it too? cayuga ?? thats an hours drive at least.... I have a friend who's quite wealthy and when I presented the issue to him he thought about it and looked around and found a strip of land where a quarter mile track could be laided down properly... this track would have been in vaghan just north of the city and really close. only problem was zoning needed to be changed so he presented the idea as a way to solve toronto's street racing problem by rezoning the lane (it was and still is farm land) well the city of vaghan turned him down, why because "We don't want to attract that type of people around here" and so instead of creating a safe a friendly and close place to race the land that could be a track was never purchased and sits as a field till someone decides to plant down a sub division. I personally believe that street racing could be seriously cleaned up if a track was built close to toronto (plus my friend would have made a killing doing it) but hey the city didn't want them to congragate in one spot so instead we have this.... just my 2 cents... I believe that there is always 2 sides and while PACER is trying to educate racers they should also be trying to lobby governments to build a track close (with in a 5 minute drive from toronto) to help solve the problem.
and yes I understand PACERS goal is to edumacte people into taking it to the track... however I think education and logigistics should be opened up at bit here ... while street racing is plain stupid in my opinion and taking it too the track is a great Idea ... what track should they take it too? cayuga ?? thats an hours drive at least.... I have a friend who's quite wealthy and when I presented the issue to him he thought about it and looked around and found a strip of land where a quarter mile track could be laided down properly... this track would have been in vaghan just north of the city and really close. only problem was zoning needed to be changed so he presented the idea as a way to solve toronto's street racing problem by rezoning the lane (it was and still is farm land) well the city of vaghan turned him down, why because "We don't want to attract that type of people around here" and so instead of creating a safe a friendly and close place to race the land that could be a track was never purchased and sits as a field till someone decides to plant down a sub division. I personally believe that street racing could be seriously cleaned up if a track was built close to toronto (plus my friend would have made a killing doing it) but hey the city didn't want them to congragate in one spot so instead we have this.... just my 2 cents... I believe that there is always 2 sides and while PACER is trying to educate racers they should also be trying to lobby governments to build a track close (with in a 5 minute drive from toronto) to help solve the problem.
23-Apr-2003, 07:36 PM
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i was referring mostly to the initial statement J..
sorry if it looked like i was targeting you completely by quoting just your comment (cuz i wasn't..)
you told me about the track concept that was trying to be put into place a few months back..
we as the targeted have to push that tho, pacer can only recommend (which i'm sure they have..)
imo tho, it will solve quite a bit of the problem, but nowhere near all of it..
sorry if it looked like i was targeting you completely by quoting just your comment (cuz i wasn't..)
you told me about the track concept that was trying to be put into place a few months back..
we as the targeted have to push that tho, pacer can only recommend (which i'm sure they have..)
imo tho, it will solve quite a bit of the problem, but nowhere near all of it..
23-Apr-2003, 07:46 PM
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well yeah ... in sask. they cut down the street racing by 65 to 75 percent according to an article on the PACER website using tracks and the police ...
it was once the ideal in child raising that if the kid got out of line (say like use crayon all over the walls) you'd hit the kid and send him to his room (as a kid I spent maybe afternoons in my room) anyways since that time another idea has come out which is instead of negative reinforcement that what they did was wrong positive sort of "wow that's a nice drawing but from now on draw on paper so that we can hang it on the frige" has be touted as being the better way to get kids to listen and refrain from doing things (like drawing on the walls ...so many of my master pieces were washed off)
well maybe if cops took this approach ..instead of beat you down with every single ticket most of which would be thrown out in court due to stupid plea bargaining..and innocent till proven guilty... (should be the other way around IMO) cops should ticket them for the one thing they did wrong (instead of hammering them for everything after digging through the car) and also part of the punishment would be to attend a police sponsered track day ..... I think this would get kids realizing the track is safer and more fun.
just more of my 2 cents (and marty I'm still bitter about the whole track thing, I stood to rake in some dough on the side too)
it was once the ideal in child raising that if the kid got out of line (say like use crayon all over the walls) you'd hit the kid and send him to his room (as a kid I spent maybe afternoons in my room) anyways since that time another idea has come out which is instead of negative reinforcement that what they did was wrong positive sort of "wow that's a nice drawing but from now on draw on paper so that we can hang it on the frige" has be touted as being the better way to get kids to listen and refrain from doing things (like drawing on the walls ...so many of my master pieces were washed off)
well maybe if cops took this approach ..instead of beat you down with every single ticket most of which would be thrown out in court due to stupid plea bargaining..and innocent till proven guilty... (should be the other way around IMO) cops should ticket them for the one thing they did wrong (instead of hammering them for everything after digging through the car) and also part of the punishment would be to attend a police sponsered track day ..... I think this would get kids realizing the track is safer and more fun.
just more of my 2 cents (and marty I'm still bitter about the whole track thing, I stood to rake in some dough on the side too)
23-Apr-2003, 07:52 PM
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if a track ws closer street racing would not be eliminated completly thats liek putting up radar and thinking it will eliminate speeding..it will still happen just it will be somewhat less....
but think about it ur a 16 yr old with a new crx...u dun have 30$ to waste on 3 runs at a track agaisnt buddy..u can do it for free on the street whenever u want.....street racing will never be eliminated....but i heard of out west , saskatoon i think it was...had a huge problem with street racing, they built a track near b y and elimintaed street racing by something like 88%..thats pretty impressive...pacer is a failing...a track would be a great idea.....and i know i would be there all the time...but again the track is now at least an hour and half away.....to far for me to bother with more than couple times a year. if that...and from what i know the GTA is pretty much the biggest for stree racing in north america at elast...so anyone with enough cash and connections around town to set up a track would profit HUGE...
but think about it ur a 16 yr old with a new crx...u dun have 30$ to waste on 3 runs at a track agaisnt buddy..u can do it for free on the street whenever u want.....street racing will never be eliminated....but i heard of out west , saskatoon i think it was...had a huge problem with street racing, they built a track near b y and elimintaed street racing by something like 88%..thats pretty impressive...pacer is a failing...a track would be a great idea.....and i know i would be there all the time...but again the track is now at least an hour and half away.....to far for me to bother with more than couple times a year. if that...and from what i know the GTA is pretty much the biggest for stree racing in north america at elast...so anyone with enough cash and connections around town to set up a track would profit HUGE...
23-Apr-2003, 07:56 PM
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oh and the pacer SiR...not bad i meet teh guy who built it he builds race cars for honda his whoel life....liek f-1 and so on...and he built this SiR for honda....who actualy owns the civic...it has CTR side skirts and a custom front bumper...he dropped it on ground control coils i think....and it roolling on 19's....performance wise they are getting 172 WHP.....all the did was replace teh exhaust manifold and sir ecu, with that of a RSX type S....type s exhaust manifold, and ecu.....but gotta love the windsheild banner..."take it to the track"
23-Apr-2003, 09:23 PM
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Si Veloz.....sorry about that.....yah your right....it'z true....they don't hand out the tickets.....true statment....my mistake.....the Pacer guyz should educate the normal street cops, cause some of them give out wack tickets......yah that SiR is pretty crazy.....
23-Apr-2003, 11:09 PM
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LOL that windshield banner is just an example of cops and their sarcasm.
What they need to do at the track, is lower their freakin prices. I don't think the distance to get there is as bad as the cost of getting in. However, building another track closer to where all the street racing is happening would definately be a huge bonus.
What they need to do at the track, is lower their freakin prices. I don't think the distance to get there is as bad as the cost of getting in. However, building another track closer to where all the street racing is happening would definately be a huge bonus.
24-Apr-2003, 12:34 AM
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well the track was going to be simple at first .....ever see fast and the furious (yes you all have don't lie) well there was the races at the abandoned army base....no tree no timing just car against car on pavement thats basically what the setup would be like a place to setle scores without having the problem of oncoming traffic
24-Apr-2003, 01:32 AM
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Do a search....ths topic has been beaten over our heads.....here's somes pics from some of those threads....
$80,000 (around $20,000 for the car.....the rest for the mods and labour). Paint took a good ckunk of that money too. (Dominique did a nice job with the paint/airbrush work)
$80,000 (around $20,000 for the car.....the rest for the mods and labour). Paint took a good ckunk of that money too. (Dominique did a nice job with the paint/airbrush work)
