Robb

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I'm quite disgusted at why the Ministry of Ontario environmental division would change the 20 year old rule for cars exempted from drive clean (emissions testing)
As of Jan. 1st, 2006, all cars from 1988 and newer would require emissions testing, no mater how old they are . 1987 and older vehicles are exempt.

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So I sent an email to them wondering why all 1987 cars would not be tested and 1988 cars be tested from now on ? Where is the logic here ? you can send them an email here:

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Even if the 1988 car reaches 30 years old, it would still require testing.
Do you think this is logical ?
I firmly believe that if a car reaches 20 years old in this rough climate, it should be rewarded by not requiring emissions testing.

They did this in California too (warm climate)
All 1974 cars and newer require emissions testing. They used to have a 25 year rule exemption till they changed it.

On a positive note about this subject, you'll know your old car is running right if it has good emissions numbers and passes the test..

Discuss.

rjngo

this is BS...government and their stupid thinking!

Gallagher

good, get all dem crappy crx's off the road

fingolfin

cars are not people that need to be rewarded...



in 2006 there could have been 10 000 cars exempt
in 2010 there will be no more than 10 000 cars exempt.
in 2020 there will be no more than 10 000 cars exempt.... see the pattern

the government made emission testing to help the environment (and make money). Why would they do something that does neither?

Personally, I don't think any car should be allowed on the road unless it can pass emission testing unless its a true classic, but then you get into the debate about what defines a true classic. I believe anything before 1980, the government says 1988. Difference of opinions

DelSloow

well old car that cant pass etest will pollute relatively more...polluting the air that we breath, the air our children will breath...if it doesnt pass etest maybe its time to get a newer car...nothing against old car...if you wanna drive an old car daily...for the sake of the future and green house gas and what not...it should at least comply with emission standard...

in asian...ie: japan...they have strict air rule even low mile cars fail...hence we have many low miles JDM import...

if you drive a vintage...(read: not H22 swapped CRX)...and only drives it like once a month in the summer...they should be exempted

zoomroom

lol I have an 1987 Monte Carlo SS that just made the cut-off year. It's a Cream-Puff that only sees the summer months. I do my best to keep my motor clean and upgrade the engine parts as needed. Most of the smoke comes from the tires.

Robb

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Ok, this thread was started because 1987 cars are exempted, but 1988 cars have to be tested forever..... only 1 year difference...that is my beef.
88's are just as bad as 87's . NO ?

Now, 1988 and newer model cars will depreciate more in price because of this ~ while 1987 and older model cars will go up in value (be more in demand)

fingolfin

There has to be a cut off... you happen to be on the wrong side of it...
if it bothers you THAT much sell your car and buy a pre87 car.

Also I doubt that having to not get a 1987 camry emission tested if going to increase demand for it. instead of it being worth $200, what, its going to be worth $250...lol

Robb

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there was a cutoff !! 20 years old... every year !!!!!


The way I see this...

Dont penalize old cars with today's new laws !!

fingolfin

they changed their minds...

this is the government we're talking about remember

Robb

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My anger is not directed on emission testing ,
my anger is toward why the gov't used 1987 as the cutoff point ?
they should have just kept the 20 year old rule in place !
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viper_2_4

its an arbitrary date...just get used to it...

sure it would be nice to not have to do emission testing, but its not really a big deal, they adjust the tolerance as your car gets older, so its possible to pass easily...besides, if your car doesn't pass, its probably running like **** anyways...

Sirberner

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hahahahha, this is rob _ _ time 4 a new car rob

zeeman

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they gotta make up the 1% decrease in sales tax somehow. If it was really about the environment there wouldn't be a conditional pass where you basically just buy your way into a legit etest, every car, truck, bus, motorcycle, atv, boat and motorized vehicle would need an etest.
This pissed me off so much b/c i was waiting until 2008 to register my 88 CRX so that it wouldn't need an etest, what a scam.

Robb

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actually, the tolerance numbers have been getting stricter.
I saw my emission test papers and the numbers are lower last year compared to 5 years ago !

zoomroom

The Gov choose 1988 because back in 1987 all auto makers in North America (including imports) had to switch to either fuel injection or computer controlled TPI by 'end of 1987'. So first year to get nailed for e-testing is 88.

viper_2_4

huh, interesting, I know originally, there was some documentation which said that there was suppose to be lax as the car got older (each year)..

oh well, probably for the better...

fingolfin

ahhhh... theres the reasoning behind it... i didn't know that...
good to know

viper_2_4

that makes sense...

k_r_a_c_k_e_r

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good post.