JDM Engines in USA & CAN
28-Nov-2003, 05:21 PM
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JDM Engines in USA & CAN
OK Guys, Here is my question:
As we all know, there are all these stores in North america selling used JDM engines from Japan, of course.
Now, they all calim that these engines have about 50 000 km on them. What is the reason these engines are being sold to US/CANADA with such low km in Japan. I herad once that they have strict emission laws in Japan and have to replace engines every 50k KM. IS THIS TRUE?
As we all know, there are all these stores in North america selling used JDM engines from Japan, of course.
Now, they all calim that these engines have about 50 000 km on them. What is the reason these engines are being sold to US/CANADA with such low km in Japan. I herad once that they have strict emission laws in Japan and have to replace engines every 50k KM. IS THIS TRUE?
28-Nov-2003, 05:36 PM
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Sorta.
And the land size also plays a factor. My dad's old car back in Taiwan was 10 years old and only put down about 10K+ and it was **** as hell. I think it was a Nissan Santra. Cause his daily driving was like 4 to 5km back and forth from home to work.
It was a small, small city...
And the land size also plays a factor. My dad's old car back in Taiwan was 10 years old and only put down about 10K+ and it was **** as hell. I think it was a Nissan Santra. Cause his daily driving was like 4 to 5km back and forth from home to work.
It was a small, small city...
29-Nov-2003, 10:59 AM
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Nova_Dust is right. Japan is smaller, therfore people drive less to get around.
At the CRX meet last year there was a guy fro Vancouver Island who had about 30,000km on his CRX. He said there was no place to drive around there really.
A chunk was from driving the car from the west coast here.
But its also because insurance is more expensive on older cars in JDM land, so people get new cars more often.
At the CRX meet last year there was a guy fro Vancouver Island who had about 30,000km on his CRX. He said there was no place to drive around there really.
A chunk was from driving the car from the west coast here.
But its also because insurance is more expensive on older cars in JDM land, so people get new cars more often.
29-Nov-2003, 12:46 PM
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They don't suffer from urban sprawl like we do here in North America. Crap like strip malls, gas stations and soccer moms in their SUVs go as far as the eye can see, it's like one continuous city from Toronto to Barrie. 
29-Nov-2003, 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by Chigga1
i want a JDM B16B
ill trade my B16A for it
HOLY SHIET!, look at those H22's
id love to own that huge storage place!
i want a JDM B16B
ill trade my B16A for it
HOLY SHIET!, look at those H22's
id love to own that huge storage place!
The vtec engagement sounds kinda nice too.
01-Dec-2003, 11:14 AM
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For them, having 50K on an engine is like putting on 500k on ours.
So technically speaking, swap a JDM engine in our car is just like another piece of old engine, except, with more power. I really think an overhaul is needed.
So technically speaking, swap a JDM engine in our car is just like another piece of old engine, except, with more power. I really think an overhaul is needed.
01-Dec-2003, 12:05 PM
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the way they drive over there is WAYYYY harder than how we drive here... here we cruize on our 5 lane highways and isht, over there they battle traffic like mad. I'm with Stew Piddass... I call dibs on a B18C. but I don't believe the emissions crap, cuz that's one reason we don't get the ultra-tuned cars here-they can't pass California emissions. So it would seem emissions are NOT as strict over there... or maybe its the quality of gas 
or maybe it IS the law over there that a car can't have more than 50K kms. odd little country they got there
but I don't believe the emissions crap, cuz that's one reason we don't get the ultra-tuned cars here-they can't pass California emissions. So it would seem emissions are NOT as strict over there... or maybe its the quality of gas or maybe it IS the law over there that a car can't have more than 50K kms. odd little country they got there
01-Dec-2003, 01:00 PM
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Cars in Japan have no restrictions on mileage. You can have a car with 100,000 kms on it. No problem. Emissions regulations are less strict in Japan than in North America....when new.
However, in Japan, there are mandatory, federally regulated checks. The first one is 3 years after the car is new and then every 2 years after that. This check would cost the average owner about $1,000 if there is NOTHING wrong with the car. Why so much? Well, they do all the proper maintenance at that time (brakes, all fluids, checking hoses pumps, etc.) and an emissions check.
As the car gets older, the cost of the check is higher (because more parts have to be repaired/replaced). Also, since used cars are not worth as much, people in Japan tend to buy cars more often because of this check. It would get to the point that you would have to spend over $2,000 to keep a $1,000 car going. At this point, most Japanese people just get a new car.
Why is the mileage low? Well, if you consider that the speed limit on a big road is 40 kph and you would be happy travelling at that speed, the mileage accumulated is actually harder than the mileage that would be accumulated here. i.e. the engine would be running longer for the same amount of mileage. Let me give you a different example, it took me 6 hours to drive 100 km once, the traffic wasn't even that bad. I didn't take the highway because the highway fare would have cost me about $40.00! In Canada, to travel the same distance on local roads, it would take me 2 hours max. Which situation do you think would be harder on an engine?
Does this make sense?
Mark
However, in Japan, there are mandatory, federally regulated checks. The first one is 3 years after the car is new and then every 2 years after that. This check would cost the average owner about $1,000 if there is NOTHING wrong with the car. Why so much? Well, they do all the proper maintenance at that time (brakes, all fluids, checking hoses pumps, etc.) and an emissions check.
As the car gets older, the cost of the check is higher (because more parts have to be repaired/replaced). Also, since used cars are not worth as much, people in Japan tend to buy cars more often because of this check. It would get to the point that you would have to spend over $2,000 to keep a $1,000 car going. At this point, most Japanese people just get a new car.
Why is the mileage low? Well, if you consider that the speed limit on a big road is 40 kph and you would be happy travelling at that speed, the mileage accumulated is actually harder than the mileage that would be accumulated here. i.e. the engine would be running longer for the same amount of mileage. Let me give you a different example, it took me 6 hours to drive 100 km once, the traffic wasn't even that bad. I didn't take the highway because the highway fare would have cost me about $40.00! In Canada, to travel the same distance on local roads, it would take me 2 hours max. Which situation do you think would be harder on an engine?
Does this make sense?
Mark
01-Dec-2003, 01:06 PM
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excellent explanation Mark!!!! you know, some states in the US are almost the same way, but then again some states have NO standards at all (like Michigan - the car NEVER has to pass safety )
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01-Dec-2003, 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by MY SiR
Cars in Japan have no restrictions on mileage. You can have a car with 100,000 kms on it. No problem. Emissions regulations are less strict in Japan than in North America....when new.
However, in Japan, there are mandatory, federally regulated checks. The first one is 3 years after the car is new and then every 2 years after that. This check would cost the average owner about $1,000 if there is NOTHING wrong with the car. Why so much? Well, they do all the proper maintenance at that time (brakes, all fluids, checking hoses pumps, etc.) and an emissions check.
As the car gets older, the cost of the check is higher (because more parts have to be repaired/replaced). Also, since used cars are not worth as much, people in Japan tend to buy cars more often because of this check. It would get to the point that you would have to spend over $2,000 to keep a $1,000 car going. At this point, most Japanese people just get a new car.
Why is the mileage low? Well, if you consider that the speed limit on a big road is 40 kph and you would be happy travelling at that speed, the mileage accumulated is actually harder than the mileage that would be accumulated here. i.e. the engine would be running longer for the same amount of mileage. Let me give you a different example, it took me 6 hours to drive 100 km once, the traffic wasn't even that bad. I didn't take the highway because the highway fare would have cost me about $40.00! In Canada, to travel the same distance on local roads, it would take me 2 hours max. Which situation do you think would be harder on an engine?
Does this make sense?
Mark
Cars in Japan have no restrictions on mileage. You can have a car with 100,000 kms on it. No problem. Emissions regulations are less strict in Japan than in North America....when new.
However, in Japan, there are mandatory, federally regulated checks. The first one is 3 years after the car is new and then every 2 years after that. This check would cost the average owner about $1,000 if there is NOTHING wrong with the car. Why so much? Well, they do all the proper maintenance at that time (brakes, all fluids, checking hoses pumps, etc.) and an emissions check.
As the car gets older, the cost of the check is higher (because more parts have to be repaired/replaced). Also, since used cars are not worth as much, people in Japan tend to buy cars more often because of this check. It would get to the point that you would have to spend over $2,000 to keep a $1,000 car going. At this point, most Japanese people just get a new car.
Why is the mileage low? Well, if you consider that the speed limit on a big road is 40 kph and you would be happy travelling at that speed, the mileage accumulated is actually harder than the mileage that would be accumulated here. i.e. the engine would be running longer for the same amount of mileage. Let me give you a different example, it took me 6 hours to drive 100 km once, the traffic wasn't even that bad. I didn't take the highway because the highway fare would have cost me about $40.00! In Canada, to travel the same distance on local roads, it would take me 2 hours max. Which situation do you think would be harder on an engine?
Does this make sense?
Mark
01-Dec-2003, 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by MY SiR
Cars in Japan have no restrictions on mileage. You can have a car with 100,000 kms on it. No problem. Emissions regulations are less strict in Japan than in North America....when new.
However, in Japan, there are mandatory, federally regulated checks. The first one is 3 years after the car is new and then every 2 years after that. This check would cost the average owner about $1,000 if there is NOTHING wrong with the car. Why so much? Well, they do all the proper maintenance at that time (brakes, all fluids, checking hoses pumps, etc.) and an emissions check.
As the car gets older, the cost of the check is higher (because more parts have to be repaired/replaced). Also, since used cars are not worth as much, people in Japan tend to buy cars more often because of this check. It would get to the point that you would have to spend over $2,000 to keep a $1,000 car going. At this point, most Japanese people just get a new car.
Why is the mileage low? Well, if you consider that the speed limit on a big road is 40 kph and you would be happy travelling at that speed, the mileage accumulated is actually harder than the mileage that would be accumulated here. i.e. the engine would be running longer for the same amount of mileage. Let me give you a different example, it took me 6 hours to drive 100 km once, the traffic wasn't even that bad. I didn't take the highway because the highway fare would have cost me about $40.00! In Canada, to travel the same distance on local roads, it would take me 2 hours max. Which situation do you think would be harder on an engine?
Does this make sense?
Mark
Cars in Japan have no restrictions on mileage. You can have a car with 100,000 kms on it. No problem. Emissions regulations are less strict in Japan than in North America....when new.
However, in Japan, there are mandatory, federally regulated checks. The first one is 3 years after the car is new and then every 2 years after that. This check would cost the average owner about $1,000 if there is NOTHING wrong with the car. Why so much? Well, they do all the proper maintenance at that time (brakes, all fluids, checking hoses pumps, etc.) and an emissions check.
As the car gets older, the cost of the check is higher (because more parts have to be repaired/replaced). Also, since used cars are not worth as much, people in Japan tend to buy cars more often because of this check. It would get to the point that you would have to spend over $2,000 to keep a $1,000 car going. At this point, most Japanese people just get a new car.
Why is the mileage low? Well, if you consider that the speed limit on a big road is 40 kph and you would be happy travelling at that speed, the mileage accumulated is actually harder than the mileage that would be accumulated here. i.e. the engine would be running longer for the same amount of mileage. Let me give you a different example, it took me 6 hours to drive 100 km once, the traffic wasn't even that bad. I didn't take the highway because the highway fare would have cost me about $40.00! In Canada, to travel the same distance on local roads, it would take me 2 hours max. Which situation do you think would be harder on an engine?
Does this make sense?
Mark
03-Dec-2003, 09:25 PM
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North American Petroleum Companies have about 40 times more sulphur content then Europe (and because Japans sends the same cars there I would conclude) and Asia. One of the reasons why Highly tuned (wicked) TDI, CDi, and just diesel cars cannot be brought over here. A lot of it has to do with Politics and Market. Imagine if Renault entered North American Market .... Damn.
Just a thought.
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Just a thought.
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