Integra GSR vs Prelude Type SH
10-Jul-2005, 11:47 AM
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Integra GSR vs Prelude Type SH
Well it's time i get rid of my civic and get something a little bit better, originally i wanted to go European and it was between the 99-00 BMW 323i, 00-01 Audi A4 1.8T, and a 99-01 Jetta VR6.
BMW = insurance too high, not too much room for a tall driver like my self (6"1).
Audi = TOO many electrical problems, expensive to fix, also insurance too high.
VW = Also electrical problems (same company), V6 eats way too much gas (gas is expensive these days!)
So i decided to stick with Honda, im only really interested in 2 cars and thats a 99+ GSR and a 99+ Prelude SH...i want the fully loaded, leather/sunroof etc...package...
I know both cars look good and are pretty quick, the prelude having more power, but also being a heavier car...i just wanted to get everyones opinions on this...i dont have TOO much knowledge on these cars...what are some of the pros and cons of both...any known problems or issues etc...
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BMW = insurance too high, not too much room for a tall driver like my self (6"1).
Audi = TOO many electrical problems, expensive to fix, also insurance too high.
VW = Also electrical problems (same company), V6 eats way too much gas (gas is expensive these days!)
So i decided to stick with Honda, im only really interested in 2 cars and thats a 99+ GSR and a 99+ Prelude SH...i want the fully loaded, leather/sunroof etc...package...
I know both cars look good and are pretty quick, the prelude having more power, but also being a heavier car...i just wanted to get everyones opinions on this...i dont have TOO much knowledge on these cars...what are some of the pros and cons of both...any known problems or issues etc...
Thanx
10-Jul-2005, 12:07 PM
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1 vote for the Prelude. The Euro choices will cost a fortune in maintenance and parts. You know who reliable Hondas are.
The Prelude is actually one of my favourite cars. Looks better then the Teg, more power, more torque, nicer inside, not as many of them around, probably less chance of getting stolen too. Sure it's a little heavier, but it feels like a real sports car, not just a fancy Civic like a Teg does. I'll take a white Prelude with the OEM body kit, nicer wheels and a small drop.
The Prelude is actually one of my favourite cars. Looks better then the Teg, more power, more torque, nicer inside, not as many of them around, probably less chance of getting stolen too. Sure it's a little heavier, but it feels like a real sports car, not just a fancy Civic like a Teg does. I'll take a white Prelude with the OEM body kit, nicer wheels and a small drop.
10-Jul-2005, 01:37 PM
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id honestly just keep ur civic man and put the money into it. A Teg wont be any nicer than ur civic and its heavier. I wouldnt buy a prelude either because of the common suspension and engine problems. If your thinking of sticking honda look into an accord or something like that but in the end i would just stick with ur civic and do a swap.
now. S14 with kouki front = sexyness.
10-Jul-2005, 04:38 PM
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get a car that has what u want instead of dumping so much money to do work to it.
i almost bought a lude and a teg Gsr.
BUT my main concern was having the VTEC DOHC.
GSR loks sick slammed with the Blades downfall is i didnt like leather.
Lude's are pretty quick, barely any leg room in the back.
but hey nice motor. just keep tabs on it b/c it burns oil!
other then that, you will be happy!
oh yeah VTEC engagement in the ludes are awesome.. super loud
i almost bought a lude and a teg Gsr.
BUT my main concern was having the VTEC DOHC.
GSR loks sick slammed with the Blades downfall is i didnt like leather.
Lude's are pretty quick, barely any leg room in the back.
but hey nice motor. just keep tabs on it b/c it burns oil!
other then that, you will be happy!
oh yeah VTEC engagement in the ludes are awesome.. super loud
10-Jul-2005, 04:53 PM
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I heard that somewhere before, that preludes burn alot of oil for some reason? Chris what do you mean engine problems, what kinda engine problems do preludes have, and suspension?
I also heard preludes dont have alot of room, in the front as well, i never actually sat in one, im gonna go test drive one this week. Both cars have what i want, dohc vtec engine, with sunroof and leather, nice rims etc...but i cant seem to find any GSR's under 15,000 in the autotrader, while i see enough preludes for 11-14 G's
So which car is quicker 0-60 and 1/4 mile?
I also heard preludes dont have alot of room, in the front as well, i never actually sat in one, im gonna go test drive one this week. Both cars have what i want, dohc vtec engine, with sunroof and leather, nice rims etc...but i cant seem to find any GSR's under 15,000 in the autotrader, while i see enough preludes for 11-14 G's
So which car is quicker 0-60 and 1/4 mile?
10-Jul-2005, 05:17 PM
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i saw a type r for $15500 in the trader. preludes have lots of room in the front, but good luck fitting anything in the rear. ludes also do burn some oil (not all but on average most) and basically the consensus is that they were designed as a high performance 4 cylinder and its normal to burn some...but still, for that reason although i love ludes...i'd go GSR since type r does not have sunroof
but ya, VTEC on a H22A is very noticable and audibly too! torquey and powerfull, i think the lude would be quicker in the 1/4 as they usually run 15's i believe. search for an impartial times like car and driver or something
but ya, VTEC on a H22A is very noticable and audibly too! torquey and powerfull, i think the lude would be quicker in the 1/4 as they usually run 15's i believe. search for an impartial times like car and driver or something
10-Jul-2005, 05:56 PM
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yeah id guess the lude would be quicker in the quarter mile than the GSR. Well if u ask michelle she can tell you about how many times shes had problems with her suspension. As for the engine ive heard it burns oil on a consistent basis and I know of a bunch of mechanics (even ones who work at honda) who will not work on ludes just because they are problematic.
I do think that a prelude looks better than an integra, especially with the oem lip kit, lowered, black with oem rims. But looks and comforts shouldnt be ur priority it shoudl be something thats gonna be reliable and basically do what u need it to do.
You could pick up a B20/gsr tranny swap for cheap and do a few mods to it and im sure you would be more than happy with the performance. You already have nice rims on ur car and dont u have GSR leathers in there too now?:P
I do think that a prelude looks better than an integra, especially with the oem lip kit, lowered, black with oem rims. But looks and comforts shouldnt be ur priority it shoudl be something thats gonna be reliable and basically do what u need it to do.
You could pick up a B20/gsr tranny swap for cheap and do a few mods to it and im sure you would be more than happy with the performance. You already have nice rims on ur car and dont u have GSR leathers in there too now?:P
10-Jul-2005, 09:05 PM
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prelude..... looks so sexy i hate the front of all tegs... anything with 4 bulbs like that infront i hate.. even the older celicas man i hate them.. but everyone has there own taste
I vote prelude!
I vote prelude!
10-Jul-2005, 09:32 PM
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I vote for the 'lude.
I actually looked into one but didn't think I could get the financing so I had to settle for a 2005 Sentra.
I wanted a white 'lude with the oem kit and blacked out headlights. Oh the fun I would have had with the car
I actually looked into one but didn't think I could get the financing so I had to settle for a 2005 Sentra.
I wanted a white 'lude with the oem kit and blacked out headlights. Oh the fun I would have had with the car
10-Jul-2005, 10:55 PM
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Was in the same boat as you last year Ogi, was originally looking at Teg GSR, but ended up with a Prelude instead. I have not looked back at my purchase one bit.
Stock for stock the GSR and Lude are pretty much the same in the 1/4 mile. The stats show the lude as being like .2-.4 sec faster, but in the 0-60 its a little faster as well, but a good driver could easily make the teg faster than the lude with a bad driver.
For everyday driving the h22 is a fun motor to drive, good torque down low, I find I barely even vtec it unless Im having some fun, I usually change gears under 4grand and it has more than enough pull for my needs.
Parts are a little less on the prelude than on the Teg, less of an aftermarket, but if you search you will find pretty much all you would need for it.
No real engine problems other than they do burn oil, some more than others. Some people got good engines and only burn less than a litre between changes, some up to 4l between changes.
The suspension issue chris posted is the first I have heard of, I'm at 135km on my prelude on OEM suspension and no issues at all, also on TPC I havn't heard of anything.
There is a recall on ignition and front LCA but only for a certain year, I think 99+ or so had it fixed already, but if not they will do the fix for you no problem.
My best advice is go test drive each and see which you like more. Its hard finding a GSR that wasn't beaten on, or maybe just in my case, but the ones I was looking at were mostly owned by younger kids and had some mods done to them, so who knows. The prelude I picked up was mint inside, looked almost brand new, and was owned by an older gentlemen.
Best bet us stay away from the SH and get the SE or BASE.
The SH might give you problems with the ATTS unit crapping out and its an expensive piece if it fails, there is no real diff between the SH engine wise, only the ATTS unit like I said which basically makes the transmission act like a LSD electronically.
As far as fully loaded, the base prelude is pretty much fully loaded, the options I have are power windows, locks, sunroof, mirrors, heated seats, mirrors etc.
Heres a good link
http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/2265/
good luck
Stock for stock the GSR and Lude are pretty much the same in the 1/4 mile. The stats show the lude as being like .2-.4 sec faster, but in the 0-60 its a little faster as well, but a good driver could easily make the teg faster than the lude with a bad driver.
For everyday driving the h22 is a fun motor to drive, good torque down low, I find I barely even vtec it unless Im having some fun, I usually change gears under 4grand and it has more than enough pull for my needs.
Parts are a little less on the prelude than on the Teg, less of an aftermarket, but if you search you will find pretty much all you would need for it.
No real engine problems other than they do burn oil, some more than others. Some people got good engines and only burn less than a litre between changes, some up to 4l between changes.
The suspension issue chris posted is the first I have heard of, I'm at 135km on my prelude on OEM suspension and no issues at all, also on TPC I havn't heard of anything.
There is a recall on ignition and front LCA but only for a certain year, I think 99+ or so had it fixed already, but if not they will do the fix for you no problem.
My best advice is go test drive each and see which you like more. Its hard finding a GSR that wasn't beaten on, or maybe just in my case, but the ones I was looking at were mostly owned by younger kids and had some mods done to them, so who knows. The prelude I picked up was mint inside, looked almost brand new, and was owned by an older gentlemen.
Best bet us stay away from the SH and get the SE or BASE.
The SH might give you problems with the ATTS unit crapping out and its an expensive piece if it fails, there is no real diff between the SH engine wise, only the ATTS unit like I said which basically makes the transmission act like a LSD electronically.
As far as fully loaded, the base prelude is pretty much fully loaded, the options I have are power windows, locks, sunroof, mirrors, heated seats, mirrors etc.
Heres a good link
http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/2265/
good luck
10-Jul-2005, 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by scarlemthug
yeah id guess the lude would be quicker in the quarter mile than the GSR. Well if u ask michelle she can tell you about how many times shes had problems with her suspension. As for the engine ive heard it burns oil on a consistent basis and I know of a bunch of mechanics (even ones who work at honda) who will not work on ludes just because they are problematic.
I do think that a prelude looks better than an integra, especially with the oem lip kit, lowered, black with oem rims. But looks and comforts shouldnt be ur priority it shoudl be something thats gonna be reliable and basically do what u need it to do.
yeah id guess the lude would be quicker in the quarter mile than the GSR. Well if u ask michelle she can tell you about how many times shes had problems with her suspension. As for the engine ive heard it burns oil on a consistent basis and I know of a bunch of mechanics (even ones who work at honda) who will not work on ludes just because they are problematic.
I do think that a prelude looks better than an integra, especially with the oem lip kit, lowered, black with oem rims. But looks and comforts shouldnt be ur priority it shoudl be something thats gonna be reliable and basically do what u need it to do.
I've never heard of a mechanic refusing to work on a car, even if it was problematic, they woulnd't be making any money if they were choosy like that. Maybe if they won the lottery or something then they could stick to doing something like oil changes all day and not care about what they do.
I can see them getting tired with changing the bottom ends of the H22 with the oil consumption tests, but thats about it. If the car is still under warranty and your oil consumption is pretty great and honda decides to change the block under warranty (which does happen quite a bit) then yeh I could see the mechanics getting peeved with having to do the same proceedure that is pretty involved.
Any car can be problematic, esp a swap. I'm not against swapping one bit, I even had one, but when you get into swaps you open up into a whole nother territory for problems
10-Jul-2005, 11:25 PM
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I was hoping Matt would add his opinions. The Prelude is a far better car.
So what it burns a little oil. Isn't that how the VTEC works anyway, through hydraulic actuation?
Small back seats! Who cares! The driver doesn't sit there. If you want room, buy an Accord.
So what it burns a little oil. Isn't that how the VTEC works anyway, through hydraulic actuation?
Small back seats! Who cares! The driver doesn't sit there. If you want room, buy an Accord.
