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10-Jun-2004, 10:17 AM
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Well, I was looking around on H-T....and found this thread about in the FI forum
*****Did your turbo'd Honda blow up? Tell me why...*****
Cracked sleeved block from Leitner Perfomance in Markham, Toronto. Don't ever get them to sleeve your block. They are known as a bunch of hackers!
Fully built ls/vtec, weisco pistons, eagle rods etc. Hondata w/boost. It happened on the dyno you can imagine what the guy who sleeved it thought was the problem? You guessed it "It's the tuners fault."
Reason it cracked? Weak material used for sleeves. He says different but you can ask ohh about 8-10 others that had the exact same problem!
*****Did your turbo'd Honda blow up? Tell me why...*****
Cracked sleeved block from Leitner Perfomance in Markham, Toronto. Don't ever get them to sleeve your block. They are known as a bunch of hackers!
Fully built ls/vtec, weisco pistons, eagle rods etc. Hondata w/boost. It happened on the dyno you can imagine what the guy who sleeved it thought was the problem? You guessed it "It's the tuners fault."
Reason it cracked? Weak material used for sleeves. He says different but you can ask ohh about 8-10 others that had the exact same problem!
10-Jun-2004, 10:35 AM
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H-T....?
as for l&b's work i ave seen thing built by them and i think they do great work...and i woudl blame a tuner too...
if you wanto run 40 lbs of boost on a 1.6L you are a retard...that's just the truth...
tell them what you plan to do and they can build you a blcok to take it but if you have them build a block for up to 300hp then you toss in an extra 10lbs of boost then dont blame the builder blame the ignorant moron that dialed up the boost controler...
ask anyone that has built up a honda turbo on thier own. they will tell you that preplaning is everything...and acting liek sleeves make your block ready for "anything" is dumb.
in closing i say that you shouldnt flame a site sponsor if you dont knwo what the hell you are talking about. i am an UNPAID member and i have no intrest in this sponsor but i will say one thing... thier shop is better than most out there and they have helped more people that you.
if you dont like it go to mississauga engines
as for l&b's work i ave seen thing built by them and i think they do great work...and i woudl blame a tuner too...
if you wanto run 40 lbs of boost on a 1.6L you are a retard...that's just the truth...
tell them what you plan to do and they can build you a blcok to take it but if you have them build a block for up to 300hp then you toss in an extra 10lbs of boost then dont blame the builder blame the ignorant moron that dialed up the boost controler...
ask anyone that has built up a honda turbo on thier own. they will tell you that preplaning is everything...and acting liek sleeves make your block ready for "anything" is dumb.
in closing i say that you shouldnt flame a site sponsor if you dont knwo what the hell you are talking about. i am an UNPAID member and i have no intrest in this sponsor but i will say one thing... thier shop is better than most out there and they have helped more people that you.
if you dont like it go to mississauga engines
10-Jun-2004, 10:39 AM
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thank you for your opinion. I never said anything about not liking them, I am simply doing some research on the net in order to find the right shop and came across this thread...thats all....never said anything about not liking the site sponser...
10-Jun-2004, 10:45 AM
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well if you are jsut lookign for opinions i will give you a better idea..go to 3 shops.. make sure that L&B is one of em (i think they changed thier name now thoguh to some creative concepts or somthign
one other that i have seen do great wrk is mississaga engines in streetsville
other than that there isnt many honda shops i would use to be honest
i woudl go to yoshio if it were a toyota or maybe H2 with a VW btu those would be my honda choices
one other that i have seen do great wrk is mississaga engines in streetsville
other than that there isnt many honda shops i would use to be honest
i woudl go to yoshio if it were a toyota or maybe H2 with a VW btu those would be my honda choices
10-Jun-2004, 10:55 AM
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the name is now leitner performance Martin (just for reference)
trusting information on Honda tech is like running through a cow field blind folded your bound to walk into s h i t
now seriously I'd blame the tuner as well.... esspecially since it was on a dyno. when a car is on a dyno you are trying to change the setting son the car for the best power. what can happen is you go to far with the settings and screw things up which I believe is most likely what happened. if it's on a dyno it's the tuner's fault sleeves don't just crack unless stressed by bad tuning
trusting information on Honda tech is like running through a cow field blind folded your bound to walk into s h i t
now seriously I'd blame the tuner as well.... esspecially since it was on a dyno. when a car is on a dyno you are trying to change the setting son the car for the best power. what can happen is you go to far with the settings and screw things up which I believe is most likely what happened. if it's on a dyno it's the tuner's fault sleeves don't just crack unless stressed by bad tuning
10-Jun-2004, 11:08 AM
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I think that nobody who has posted has given any actual information on what happened. What boost was he running when it cracked, people are assuming high boost but do you know? If he was running 20 lbs and the buildup was meant to take 20 then the fault lies with the shop. If it was designed for 10 then it's his fault. Without knowing this, why are people pointing fingers?
10-Jun-2004, 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by kane2k
I think that nobody who has posted has given any actual information on what happened. What boost was he running when it cracked, people are assuming high boost but do you know? If he was running 20 lbs and the buildup was meant to take 20 then the fault lies with the shop. If it was designed for 10 then it's his fault. Without knowing this, why are people pointing fingers?
I think that nobody who has posted has given any actual information on what happened. What boost was he running when it cracked, people are assuming high boost but do you know? If he was running 20 lbs and the buildup was meant to take 20 then the fault lies with the shop. If it was designed for 10 then it's his fault. Without knowing this, why are people pointing fingers?
seriously I believe it's the tuner's fault regardless of boost
10-Jun-2004, 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by gatherer
you can crack sleeves without boost if properly de-tuned...
seriously I believe it's the tuner's fault regardless of boost
you can crack sleeves without boost if properly de-tuned...
seriously I believe it's the tuner's fault regardless of boost
So if someone builds you a POS engine its still the tuner's fault?
Come on Jason.....
10-Jun-2004, 11:38 AM
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gatherer....with due respect....its not a church in here..."u believe"....its not sunday church boiy
Kane2k is absolutely correct..we have to know the facts....
what was the psi?
what was the size of turbo used?
air/fuel
timing
u can't just make an assumption like that....saying that its always the tunners fault....chillout and know the facts before making up your mind...
Kane2k is absolutely correct..we have to know the facts....
what was the psi?
what was the size of turbo used?
air/fuel
timing
u can't just make an assumption like that....saying that its always the tunners fault....chillout and know the facts before making up your mind...
10-Jun-2004, 11:52 AM
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he has stated his opinion already. Double_B....don't u think you should know some info about the case before the judgement is given...comon..it only makes sense.
I'm waiting to here from someone who has had there sleeves done at lietner.....and i want to see how your s h i t is running!!?? I hope its running well cause I'm considering going there to get my s h i t done soon....
I'm waiting to here from someone who has had there sleeves done at lietner.....and i want to see how your s h i t is running!!?? I hope its running well cause I'm considering going there to get my s h i t done soon....
10-Jun-2004, 11:52 AM
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everyone hates a post ***** 
seriously Leitner does a variety of work from sleeveing blocks to building all out race engines to port andf polishing heads.
not all finishing assembly is done at Leitner without all the facts we don't even know if leitner actually put the motor together or just sleeved the block there is a huge difference between here's you block thats been sleeved and here's your built engine thats been sleeved.... again I say listening to stuff on honda tech is like walking through a field of cows blind folded... niether one I'd like to try to do
seriously Leitner does a variety of work from sleeveing blocks to building all out race engines to port andf polishing heads.
not all finishing assembly is done at Leitner without all the facts we don't even know if leitner actually put the motor together or just sleeved the block there is a huge difference between here's you block thats been sleeved and here's your built engine thats been sleeved.... again I say listening to stuff on honda tech is like walking through a field of cows blind folded... niether one I'd like to try to do
10-Jun-2004, 11:54 AM
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I'll give you feedback!
I busted my *** for a year working to save up for the right setup. I chose to go through Leitner Performance in Toronto because they did sleeving and were talked about by others as being good. Ya, biggest mistake ever. I had my setup put together by my mechnic Chris Tapp at Tapp Auto. He has built and tuned MANY race, track and street cars and never ever once ran into a problem like this.
I had my car tuned by Chris and it only made it to 18psi on race fuel before we found out it was a cracked sleeve that did the damage. You ask any tuner, or reputable car guy and they will tell you that you would melt a piston before you crack a sleeve. Anyway I ended up contacting Steve and he was willing to replace the sleeve for $300! I was like WTF but said whatever I had no choice. I ended up having to drive to Toronto, drop off the block and drive back to Ottawa. Then again go and pick it up at his shop bring it back and put it in my car again(unfortunately), I had no choice at the time. I would like to add that while I was there at Leitner performance he took us on a walk through of his shop. Low and behold several block laying on the floor, 4 to be exact. Guess what was wrong with all 4, ya you guessed it cracked sleeve cylinder #3. It seemed that Steve had a story for each one. Did I fail to mention that the excuse for my setup was that it was Chris Tapp's fault, my tuner.
I was not the only one that had this problem. A friend of mine here in Ottawa had the same setup as I and the same problem happened to him. Also last year there was 1 N/A guy that cracked the same sleeve, he was from Montreal. Again just a few weeks ago another victim here in Ottawa with an N/A Type R same thing, cylinder #3 cracked.
Steve no longer does his own "T-Top" sleeve design but now does AEBS from what I hear. I would still not do business with him if he was the last shop on the planet. I found it to be very unprofessional to not even look at the sleeve first but yet blame my mechanic/tuner on the problem right away. That there told me that he was bogus.
I busted my *** for a year working to save up for the right setup. I chose to go through Leitner Performance in Toronto because they did sleeving and were talked about by others as being good. Ya, biggest mistake ever. I had my setup put together by my mechnic Chris Tapp at Tapp Auto. He has built and tuned MANY race, track and street cars and never ever once ran into a problem like this.
I had my car tuned by Chris and it only made it to 18psi on race fuel before we found out it was a cracked sleeve that did the damage. You ask any tuner, or reputable car guy and they will tell you that you would melt a piston before you crack a sleeve. Anyway I ended up contacting Steve and he was willing to replace the sleeve for $300! I was like WTF but said whatever I had no choice. I ended up having to drive to Toronto, drop off the block and drive back to Ottawa. Then again go and pick it up at his shop bring it back and put it in my car again(unfortunately), I had no choice at the time. I would like to add that while I was there at Leitner performance he took us on a walk through of his shop. Low and behold several block laying on the floor, 4 to be exact. Guess what was wrong with all 4, ya you guessed it cracked sleeve cylinder #3. It seemed that Steve had a story for each one. Did I fail to mention that the excuse for my setup was that it was Chris Tapp's fault, my tuner.
I was not the only one that had this problem. A friend of mine here in Ottawa had the same setup as I and the same problem happened to him. Also last year there was 1 N/A guy that cracked the same sleeve, he was from Montreal. Again just a few weeks ago another victim here in Ottawa with an N/A Type R same thing, cylinder #3 cracked.
Steve no longer does his own "T-Top" sleeve design but now does AEBS from what I hear. I would still not do business with him if he was the last shop on the planet. I found it to be very unprofessional to not even look at the sleeve first but yet blame my mechanic/tuner on the problem right away. That there told me that he was bogus.
10-Jun-2004, 12:01 PM
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Chillnit if you are looking to get your block sleeved do what I did. Get it done through Benson Machine in the states. You can get hooked up by Earl of Laskey Racing on H-T for pricing. I went with a Benson Machine Darton Sleeved block with CP pistons from Earl. I have 5000km on my motor and no problems what so ever.
The motor was built, and tuned by the mechanic at Tapp Auto, namely Chris Tapp(tuner) and Jason Bowles(builder). The car has been tuned and made 363whp @15psi on pump and 427whp@22psi on c16 race fuel. I have yet to have any problems with the setup. I have dragged the car beat the heck out of it and nothing to report in terms of problems, not even a check engine light. This is the way it should have been from day one. I guess you live and learn.
PM me if you want details as to how to get in touch with Earl. Not only are you getting great sleeves and workmanship but most importantly service.
The motor was built, and tuned by the mechanic at Tapp Auto, namely Chris Tapp(tuner) and Jason Bowles(builder). The car has been tuned and made 363whp @15psi on pump and 427whp@22psi on c16 race fuel. I have yet to have any problems with the setup. I have dragged the car beat the heck out of it and nothing to report in terms of problems, not even a check engine light. This is the way it should have been from day one. I guess you live and learn.
PM me if you want details as to how to get in touch with Earl. Not only are you getting great sleeves and workmanship but most importantly service.
10-Jun-2004, 12:02 PM
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cylinder 3 on type r's are known to crack in stock form if the header manifold allows too much back pressure to build up it's a weak point in the design .. and could quite easily be the same thing with a sleeved block... I know a guy that put a rod right through a type r block ... guess which rod it was? cylinder 3
now I have one question since Lienter was doing the sleeving why didn't you have him do final assembly of the block? I'd have to agree with Leitner it was the final assembly of the block... I've heard of leitner's shop and all the good things that have been said about it but I have never in the racing circles I travel heard of Chris Tapp or Tapp Auto....
18 PSI on race fuel? what was the compression ratio you had on your setup and the octane level of the gas?
now I have one question since Lienter was doing the sleeving why didn't you have him do final assembly of the block? I'd have to agree with Leitner it was the final assembly of the block... I've heard of leitner's shop and all the good things that have been said about it but I have never in the racing circles I travel heard of Chris Tapp or Tapp Auto....
18 PSI on race fuel? what was the compression ratio you had on your setup and the octane level of the gas?
